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@galactic-geek said in Sea of Theives Bootleg incoming on steam:

@greengrimz Maybe, but it will only get you so far. Proper knowledge and execution of other mechanics and strategies can still be used to defeat the DGE. Remember skill is an umbrella term - it covers a lot.

For example: if I'm running sword, and you have a gun, I should know not to stand in front of you, so in the moment you try to shoot me, I'll dodge to the side and a bit forward putting me closer to you; in that moment, you fire, sprint forward and fire again. But because I dodged, you missed your 1st shot, and because you were too focused on attempting the DGE, it works against you, and you also miss your 2nd shot. Even your forward movement exposes your back to me, even though you wouldn't be able to block anyways. That's when I cut you down.

You're totally right, and that's exactly why I say proper DGE is pure skill. Because the player scores a kill, despite your maximum efforts (counter-movement against guns).

It's also why I've said numerous times to @Bugaboo-Bill that DGE shouldn't be something to worry him, as it's often more hurtful to the user than it's gaining for him - it's actually THAT hard to be successful with it.

@greengrimz Maybe, but it will only get you so far. Proper knowledge and execution of other mechanics and strategies can still be used to defeat the DGE. Remember skill is an umbrella term - it covers a lot.

For example: if I'm running sword, and you have a gun, I should know not to stand in front of you, so in the moment you try to shoot me, I'll dodge to the side and a bit forward putting me closer to you; in that moment, you fire, sprint forward and fire again. But because I dodged, you missed your 1st shot, and because you were too focused on attempting the DGE, it works against you, and you also miss your 2nd shot. Even your forward movement exposes your back to me, even though you wouldn't be able to block anyways. That's when I cut you down. It's at that point that you should realize that you're putting in far too much effort and energy for very little gain, if any at all. After that, your only recourse is to blunderbomb me, which still puts you at significant risk as well.

@galactic-geek said in Sea of Theives Bootleg incoming on steam:

@greengrimz The mechanics or skill of it don't matter if it's unintended by the developers. Exceptions can occur if it improves gameplay, such as with the sword dash across the water, but when something like the DGE has an overall negative or detrimental effect on the game, then it's patched out as much as possible.

I love reading your comments and chatting with you brother, but I'm afraid you're not right. Not this time.

I'm not talking about intended mechanics, exceptions to gameplay, exploits, and so on. I'm talking about pure skill here. The reflex, the mobility. You are able to aim better and have quicker reactions than me? It means you're more skilled than I am. That's what I'm talking about.

In this same regard DGE is pure display of skill, as it requires a lot of precision, combined with a complex combination to properly execute. And when you add the pressure of PvP combat, it makes a hell of a hard-to-pull-off cocktail.

@greengrimz The mechanics or skill of it don't matter if it's unintended by the developers. Exceptions can occur if it improves gameplay, such as with the sword dash across the water, but when something like the DGE has an overall negative or detrimental effect on the game, then it's patched out as much as possible.

@galactic-geek said in Sea of Theives Bootleg incoming on steam:

@greengrimz Wait - did you just say that a pirate abusing an exploit is still a skilled pirate?

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No.

They are not.

Yeah, I guess I just said it huh? But please allow me to elaborate. I'm talking pure mechanics. So to put it in other words:

1. Morally - it's wrong. I am also against exploiting.
2. Mechanically - it's a skillplay. And I guarantee you, because I've done DGE successfully on practice, without real opponent. But when I tried it in real fight I got owned in 9/10. It's quite hard to nail.

Consider this post an error as i was raging and as soon as i have seen it i did not think twice to go and see more about the game, second of all its not true that i can't accpet to be defeated by more skilled people because if i was like that i would not have kept playing SoT, and when i talk about doublegun i sum up what people answer on "sword is op" or stuff like that and try to speak by their side, with that said im not into starting arguments

Rare does not have a monopoly on the pirate genre.

Just because Sea of Thieves is a pirate game with a cartoony graphics style does not mean it is the only game allowed to do that.

Rare does not have a monopoly on ship designs.

Ship designs are a real life thing. The ships in Blazing Sails and the Brigantine from SoT look like simplified versions of a real life Brigantine. Just because SoT has a type of ship doesn't mean other games aren't allowed to use that ship type

Rare does not have a monopoly on types of weapons.

Both games are pirate genres, both will have cutlasses and flintlock based weaponry. Blazing Sails actually has more weaponry that SoT (It gets away with this by being a battle royale. They can have better versions of the same weapon which adds more variety.) Blazing Sails had duel wielding flintlocks, bows, oars, clubs, crossbows, the ability to strap kegs to the bow. It is way more creative than SoT.

Rare does not have a monopoly on how ships are handled.

Yes, both games have the ability to lower, raise and angle the sails. Both games have the ability to turn the wheel and repair hull damage. Surprise, when you're playing on a pirate ship there are certain things that must happen regardless of the game you play.

Blazing Sails is a battle royale with much more weapon variety and a completely different gameplay style. To call it a Sea of Thieves bootleg does it injustice and is disrespectful. One is an adventure open world game and the other is a battle royale. There is room for both of these games to exist.

@galactic-geek sagte in Sea of Theives Bootleg incoming on steam:

@greengrimz Wait - did you just say that a pirate abusing an exploit is still a skilled pirate?

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No.

They are not.

not worth to argue this - its too ridiculous - when i found that DGE by a kid in german trying to tell me exploiting is the norm - i dont know if i want to laugh or cry.
It's sad, but you know what - i shouldnt care that much - half of the time i beat exploiters, DG'ers anyway and some losses arent my problem.
I wont ever change their attitiude, their entitelment and bias about exploiting or gaming in general.

I'm just a boomer who thinks playing games is playfull and not work or mandatory need an e-sport aproach.

BTW i would be interested how exploits are dealed with in serious e-Sports.
Are they common and accepted or are they recognized as what it is - botchering and therefore not sportmanslike and doomed?

Would to me sound like Doping is good and allowed, you are dumb if you dont dope yourself.

@galactic-geek that is true I don't know why people don't get cheating isn't skill, and yes glitches count as cheating.

@greengrimz Wait - did you just say that a pirate abusing an exploit is still a skilled pirate?

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No.

They are not.

@bugaboo-bill said in Sea of Theives Bootleg incoming on steam:

@greengrimz

what observation?

Besides, people in SoT are hungry for piracy, not fair PvP.

Have a nice day i'm already done with you if you think this way you arent worth a reply.

I've seen you in multiple threads already, you always do one of two things. You either complain on DGE, or you complain about people who try their hardest to win when playing.

Furthermore you refuse to admit you're getting owned by pure skill, as that's what DGE actually is, despite it being an unintended mechanic or not.

I bet you haven't even faced a single DGE user in the past 10 hours of your playtime (a real one with animation cancel, not just a double gun wielder). There just aren't so many people using it due to the amount of effort and time required to learn to execute it, let alone practice it fulltime.

@italianbean3338 lol why can't you stand it? How does it effect you in anyway?

U think SoT was the first pirate game? 🤪

@greengrimz

what observation?

Besides, people in SoT are hungry for piracy, not fair PvP.

Have a nice day i'm already done with you if you think this way you arent worth a reply.

A battle-royale multiplayer pirate game?

Will it have a PVE mode? 😉

@bugaboo-bill said in Sea of Theives Bootleg incoming on steam:

competition stimulates business - i dont see a problem except for Arena.
and sorry to say, but i wish Arena to be removed entirely!
It has only attracted players to the game, that want different gameplay and combatmechanics that imho are not good to have for the main, the adventure game.

I promise you Arena did not attract a single person who wasn't already playing SoT. It was implemented as an answer to the whiners who kept getting owned in PvP (such as yourself, as per my personal observation). But it still does not fulfill its purpose completely - at least in EU there's shortage on players in Arena.

Additionally, Arena feels out of spot. Without MMR and rating systems it's kind of 'just there' without any actual purpose. Besides, people in SoT are hungry for piracy, not fair PvP.

competition stimulates business - i dont see a problem except for Arena.
and sorry to say, but i wish Arena to be removed entirely!
It has only attracted players to the game, that want different gameplay and combatmechanics that imho are not good to have for the main, the adventure game.

@italianbean3338 said in Sea of Theives Bootleg incoming on steam:

Dear devs and dear players, browsing on steam i found this game named Blazing Sails, and they literally copied e v e r y t h i n g, and made a battle royale out of it, still not released but seriously i watched every trailer and mechanics and skins are all yours, and since they saw your game exploding on Steam they said lets take a popular game and make it into another popular thing, battle royale, i bet my soul they will ask real money for simple skins and ships, and i want to know your point of view on this situation, because i cant stand it

Hard to say what's 'copied' though. Many things in SoT were taken from real sailing: wind direction; control of the sails; cannonball trajectory; hell even bailing water with buckets was something that sailors used to do.

Looks quite goofy though, definitely not tempting me at least.