@cap-j-findlater I like the idea of someone owning the ship, it could even go as far as buying and selling ships? Maybe having a real currency value would increase value of the game itself. Like maybe people could make real money selling stuff in game? It would be similar to eve online.

Honestly, you could just role play with your crew and decide who the captain is. But, it would be cool for the idea you had to come into the real game.

@cap-j-findlater said in Make captains for ships:

@galactic-geek I cant find the comment anymore but I thought you said you liked joining an open crew just as they where selling their stuff. Therefor not taking part of the adventure and getting rep and gold without doing the work. But maybe I misunderstood, as I said, I cant find the comment so maybe it was just me reading sloppy :)

You absolutely misunderstood, because that comment was made in jest, and with sarcasm. So, no, I don't actually do that.

@thetruthhz432 yeah! I totally agree with you, it is unnecessary annoying and I like the idea of having a captain. One could also expand that idea and give a captain even more privileges like the captain owning the ship or something like that. But my comment before was actually to someone else who liked doing those things that annoyed you, just to clear that up :)

@galactic-geek I cant find the comment anymore but I thought you said you liked joining an open crew just as they where selling their stuff. Therefor not taking part of the adventure and getting rep and gold without doing the work. But maybe I misunderstood, as I said, I cant find the comment so maybe it was just me reading sloppy :)

@thetruthhz432

@nabberwar If another crew camps on your ship slays you and immediately sinks your ship and you come back on the other side of the map you have very little chance to contest that as well.

I said the possibility existed, not the guarantee you always will.

Let's say you were a captain and you decided to kick everyone off your crew. The difficulty of the environment would be increased. Would you be willing to sail, repair, bucket, and attack all environments that are now much more difficult all by yourself?

You seem to be under the delusion that every captain is thinking ahead, here it the thing about power trippers. They don't care about that, and eliminating people from the crew allows them to just add someone else or wait for the new crew-member from open crews to cycle in.

I highly doubt anyone would.

Pure delusion that you believe no one would use this out of malice. Here is a highly likely thing to happen. I join an open crew and get to be Captain, I get to the end of a voyage and, oh wait, my buddy Dingus over here wants to play. Problem is my crew is full, problem solved if I just boot a player and make room. Now my buddy not only gets to play with me, but he gets some no effort juicy loot.

Instead of instantly shutting an idea down why don't you fully humor the idea.

I gave you a compromise, a democratic kick system. Bad ideas should be shut down, no one player should have power to remove someone from the game when the premise is that they are equals.

For instance, if a captain were to kick their team they would be marked a betrayer which can been seen to all other ships, pve would become MUCH more difficult, AND there could be a heavy bounty put on their head for other players. Is the idea still garbage now?

Yes, because if I so happen to be on the crew of this betrayer now I am stuck dealing with increased threats. Why would I waste time with something like that, I can only fix that problem by leaving into a new crew just to fix things.

The fact that you need to keep adding all of this mechanics just to force a system to works demonstrates how bad the initial idea is. A good idea shouldn't need a mountain of changes just to ensure it works.

They could also have the player kicked stay in the server to join another ships crew and try to claim that bounty.

There is no practicality for this, there is server capacities that put a damper on this. Closed crews prevent unwanted joining, and servers can reach capacity.

You really aren't thinking ahead on this.

By humoring the idea.

I am not humoring this idea, I refuse to be put under the thumb of some person who is my equal. I refuse to have to deal with power tripping captains. You already see them in open crews, some people can't play well with others. If it isn't going their way, then they are almost guaranteed to to start booting people.

@cap-j-findlater said in Make captains for ships:

@galactic-geek Just wondering where the fun is in that. Is like just selling the fun part? I dont want judge or anything, just wanna know :)

The fun part comes with the Adventure - coordinating with others in order to succeed when you're never truly certain what lies beyond the next wave.

@thetruthhz432 Facebook comment was a joke based upon how everyone kept saying they no longer have FB accounts. If that went over your head it makes me really wonder what else does.

There's nothing stopping players from roleplaying the Captain thing out if they want. Even in an open crew, you could ask the other players to organize themselves that way, to elect a captain and agree to take their orders unless they're being jerks, at which time the crew can hold a new vote for a new captain.

@nabberwar If another crew camps on your ship slays you and immediately sinks your ship and you come back on the other side of the map you have very little chance to contest that as well. Let's say you were a captain and you decided to kick everyone off your crew. The difficulty of the environment would be increased. Would you be willing to sail, repair, bucket, and attack all environments that are now much more difficult all by yourself? You wouldn't would you? I highly doubt anyone would. Instead of instantly shutting an idea down why don't you fully humor the idea. For instance, if a captain were to kick their team they would be marked a betrayer which can been seen to all other ships, pve would become MUCH more difficult, AND there could be a heavy bounty put on their head for other players. Is the idea still garbage now? They could also have the player kicked stay in the server to join another ships crew and try to claim that bounty. Thats how you contest getting kicked from a crew. By humoring the idea.

@burnbacon yeah that is what it states but this is the suggestions page which one was applied.

"Every pirate crew on a single ship, are equal"
No captain rank is given unless mutual respect of the rank is offered.

@grumpywolf1106 So my response would be that in terms of a solar system planets can exists but can't evolve without a sun. Microorganisms won't obtain radiation that carries positive and negative traits such as vitamins, photosynthesis, visual perception (which can be argued but it wouldn't be vision without light, it would be more like sonar), and even death. With that being said a crew can exist but for crew members to evolve a captain would be their sun. Yes the captain could kick everyone or scuttle the ship but the captain would also lose all progress earned (this could be avoided by having a rowboat that people could load floating loot into and sail to an outpost, which would take forever to do but I've done it a plethora of times). The way the pve works is difficulty increases when the size of the crew increases so they could make the environments difficulty not change if a captain kicks everyone and no one would be willing to fight a kraken on a galeon by themselves to repair, bucket, and attack all by themselves. The format doesn't have to be changed completely but adding a choice at the home screen to join a server with or without captain could level out the playing field and increase customer satisfaction.

TL;DR at bottom btw

I think captain votes would be a good addition to the game, and my main reason is quest votes. It is a bother when everyone can agree on a goal, but over half have to stay at the quest table, which in practice, takes time to assemble even the best of crews to vote.

The main problem with Sea of Thieves votes is because crew sizes capping at 4 means it takes a lot of votes to do anything (with a vote to brig, it must be everyone against 1 person, and anyone not with the program ruins the endeavor).

It would make sense, not if there was an official "captain," but if crewmembers could temporarily "surrender" their vote to another person to make things easier. Besides this, there is no reason to give someone a title they can hold over others in the crew. What says that a captain can't get angry at their crew and just scuttle in the middle of a voyage without needing to convince anyone?

In many of my crew interactions, one person ends up being a captain of sorts, where they are the loudest voice in the crew, giving "orders." This is especially prevalent in the Arena, and there need be no vote to make this happen.

You've brought up afk people and they are definitely annoying. I would say that they should be kicked, but not even surrendering your vote should be enough to give 1 person the power over the right to be on a crew.

I agree that there should be a "walk the plank" system, but I don't agree that we should allow for self-righteous players to be able to kick someone because they've been voted captain. I don't think they should be able to start a server alone, vote themselves captain, and then control everything without a democratic system.

Even this watered-down view of player control introduces problems, namely, vote holders brigging a player for no reason, 2-3 people trolling the last person out of loot, and needing to reverse the actions of a vote holder if they do something out of turn (if they brig someone and then get their extra votes taken away, they would still be needed as a majority vote to unbrig someone)

I don't think a system could be implemented that doesn't have exploitable problems, to the point that I'm not surprised they haven't been a part of Sea of Thieves for its whole lifetime.

There are going to be incompetent and afk players. It sucks but most people have friends and LFC to rely on.

TL;DR - I agree with many of the OP's ideas, but the downfalls of implementing official captains in their way are high. Even making a captain have less and less power don't easily mitigate the problems, and at the point when they do the change would be small enough to wonder why it exists if only to get rid of a few minor annoyances with how votes work.

@thetruthhz432

@nabberwar what you say is contradictive to the game itself. Crews sail around power tripping to steal others loot. So having a captain who can't even FORCE any to do anything but has the power to kick people from their crew is less of a power trip than a crew sailing to sink you and steal your loot. Which is part of the game correct?

No, your example blows. Being able to physically kick someone from the game is more power than anyone else has in the server. If I lose my loot, I have the possibility to get it back. How can I even contest getting booted? Rhetorical question. The motto is all crewmembers are equal, but guess what? Every other crew on the server isn't apart of my crew. Can't power trip over people not within your command.

I do not want a single person to have the authority to govern whether I remain on the ship or not. I am their equal, not their inferior. I will state it again, if you can't cooperate with strangers then solo it. There, you are now your own captain.

I will even throw you a bone here, a compromise if you will. I am all for a system to vote kick, but its democratic that requires a majority. Galleon requires 3 and the Brig requires 2. Sloop is S.O.L. because no one has a majority.

It's funny that the most of the replies I'm seeing are people basically saying I don't want that so you can deal with it or do something else. Where are the examples of how having a captain would be bad? Where are you experiences where someone was captain of your ship and you had a bad time? Is that example of a player that was just trolling you? If so wouldnt that fit with agreeing with this topic?

@nabberwar what you say is contradictive to the game itself. Crews sail around power tripping to steal others loot. So having a captain who can't even FORCE any to do anything but has the power to kick people from their crew is less of a power trip than a crew sailing to sink you and steal your loot. Which is part of the game correct?

@surveyorpete And to add on that, if the player is in the brig when they go to turn in, the brigged player gets 50% of the rep and golds original value.

@cap-j-findlater ALL of it is fun until your crew goes afk and/or sits around for free loot, trys to intentionally blow up/catch the ship of fire, and/or cant even vote them in the brig because the sloop only carries 2 people. The pve becomes more difficult against the crew, you become merged with full crews who are most likely created through discord, and quests take twice as long to complete due to having to dig more as well the the previously stated reasons.

@thetruthhz432 Lol. Think of the trolls that could be done if there were captains.

@nabberwar thats why they could have both, those who choose to be in a non structured vessel and those who chose to have a captain.

@galactic-geek Just wondering where the fun is in that. Is like just selling the fun part? I dont want judge or anything, just wanna know :)

I'll pass, I have no desire to be under the command of people power tripping. All pirates equal, can't play well with others? Be a solo captain then.

@galactic-geek Let me ask you this. What are the skeletons called that when killed drop a skull to sell? Who pilots ghost ships and skelly ships? Who are most of the tall tales about? Is the answer to all of these CAPTAINS? It seems inconsistent to make players not have captains when the entire environment is full of captains. Also advertising your Facebook account on here isn't going to get you the followers you're looking for. Make some yourtube videos, post videos on tiktok, Instagram, etc. Good luck with your marketing capabilities.