LOD has been downgraded again (on PC)

@personalc0ffee said in [LOD has been downgraded again (on PC)](/forum/post/760936

If you don't like that, SoT ain't the game for you.

Not helping.

Trouble is we've not heard from Rare their reasoning for downgrading the Lod have we? I play on Xbox and have noticed a massive drop in lod and personally I had no issues at launch at all. It all got worse after the very first patch.
From my experience, my Xbox ran the game fine WITH the better (launch) graphics and have never suffered too many bugs etc. ( a few bad lag instances at one point but it seems this was something to do with a dodgy patch lol).
All I'm saying is how do we know "it's the xboxs" fault that we are all suffering downgrades in the graphics dept. To me (in no way claiming to be an expert here) it seems more like it would be a server issue, as in it can't handle the data.
Just to add I'm NOT anti cross play lol. Would really like to know if this is permanent and if we are all going to get those graphics back ever.

@themustamissed said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

PC only players never see an issue. You don't think seeing how many people and what they have on their ship and so on is not an advantage? What are you smoking? I'll have some!

Are you saying that "mythical" gamers should see the same as "cursed" ones? Why not displaying at least a box instead of players for those who have issues, if what you want is information of how many players are on the ship? Something is better than nothing, and quality depending on graphic muscle. Now, displaying an island or fort in better details is not really an advantage that can be exploited, or at least I don't see how it provides any game-breaking advantage.

@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@nd3e They can't do that, you'd have advantage over consoles.

They have specifically talked about having render distances being the same so that a PC user can't just pop in a newer gpu than they had, and suddenly have more distance and advantage.

If you don't like that, SoT ain't the game for you.

Everytime they downgrade it on the console, it's going to get downgraded on the PC, to stay in line with the resolution and draw distance so PC users, myself included, do not get an advantage.

With exception to fps. The game clearly allows better fps with a better system. I am upgrading mine this weekend to get 60 fps at high rez.

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@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@nd3e They can't do that, you'd have advantage over consoles.

They have specifically talked about having render distances being the same so that a PC user can't just pop in a newer gpu than they had, and suddenly have more distance and advantage.

If you don't like that, SoT ain't the game for you.

Everytime they downgrade it on the console, it's going to get downgraded on the PC, to stay in line with the resolution and draw distance so PC users, myself included, do not get an advantage.

If what you’re saying is true, I think that’s a massive mistake. Multiplayer aside, a huge part of this game’s appeal is the beautiful graphics and immersion. Crippling that immersion for the sake of console players is a tremendous disservice to the game and to those who have invested in high end systems. I think any perceived advantage is minimal.

Would you rather they can shoot you when you can't even see them on the screen? Because that is exactly what would happen.

I'm noticing less and less discrepancy in view distances from my console friends, compared to my PC. They are bringing them in-line to one another.

Or it could all just be a huge glitch, who knows.

AS for actual truths, yes Rare's stated they keep the view distances equal between both platforms.

I would rather Rare design a game that you can see as far as you can shoot, like every other shooter in existence. We are not talking long ranges here, maybe a couple hundred meters. It's pathetic.

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@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

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@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@nd3e They can't do that, you'd have advantage over consoles.

They have specifically talked about having render distances being the same so that a PC user can't just pop in a newer gpu than they had, and suddenly have more distance and advantage.

If you don't like that, SoT ain't the game for you.

Everytime they downgrade it on the console, it's going to get downgraded on the PC, to stay in line with the resolution and draw distance so PC users, myself included, do not get an advantage.

If what you’re saying is true, I think that’s a massive mistake. Multiplayer aside, a huge part of this game’s appeal is the beautiful graphics and immersion. Crippling that immersion for the sake of console players is a tremendous disservice to the game and to those who have invested in high end systems. I think any perceived advantage is minimal.

Would you rather they can shoot you when you can't even see them on the screen? Because that is exactly what would happen.

I'm noticing less and less discrepancy in view distances from my console friends, compared to my PC. They are bringing them in-line to one another.

Or it could all just be a huge glitch, who knows.

AS for actual truths, yes Rare's stated they keep the view distances equal between both platforms.

I would rather Rare design a game that you can see as far as you can shoot, like every other shooter in existence. We are not talking long ranges here, maybe a couple hundred meters. It's pathetic.

This is not a shooter, Please remove yourself from the conversation as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. This is nothing like a shooter, Stay informed my friend, clearly you know your stuff.... SMH

Odd I do alot of shooting.

So what's this game like, where you can justify terrible lod limitations? You sound like a seasoned pro, so I'm all ears.

Render distance is back to being awful.

It’s not just aesthetics. It’s game altering. It’s affecting both platforms. It really needs addressing again because, as I’ve stated too many times, it makes the spyglass obsolete. One of only a few tools - obsolete.

It’s so tiresome that a fundamental game design implementation is proving so bloody difficult for Rare to sort out.

The fact that Rare constantly ignore LOD threads tells you everything you need to know really.

@katttruewalker said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@tyburn-ketch

I had this view at Daggertooth last night, it's not ever been this bad and it did clear after a few moments, but I think there's definitely something not quite right - I'd file a report with Support so they know people are experiencing these issues.

PUBG called. They want their textures back. 😜

Why should the majority suffer for the few?

If you can load in super quick and see draw for miles it shouldn’t be punished. If your machine can’t see what’s in front of your nose - so be it. There is no real advantage.

It makes no sense at all to nerf the vast majority of machines. It makes no sense to nerf the Xbox.

Rare’s vision is flawed... and blobby!

I wish this had been marketed as an early access game at launch rather than a game as service.

Would have made life a lot easier on everyone ...

@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@tyburn-ketch Need to point out that the PC community for this game specifically, is not the major population base.

Rare gave stats on that back during the betas. PC base is minority, got news for us. This is a console game and the majority of players are Xbox.

So that argument is not going to work here but normally I'd be with you.

I think we’ve crossed some wires here. I said that the Xbox has noticed a sharp decrease in render distance as well as pcs.

My point was why nerf the majority (Xbox and pcs) for the few (pants pcs)?

I don’t know about you man ... but I’m getting proper jaded going over this topic again.

It’s destroying the game for me. As soon as I see blatantly awful “pops”, and I can’t use the spyglass because items haven’t rendered in when I’m practically on top of them, I just want to quit out.

And I often do.

But we shouldn’t all have to put up with poor render distance just because a few pcs can’t handle anything better.

It’s a poor model.

When I’ve had a poor pc I just accepted I’d be at a disadvantage. I don’t understand why Rare want to make it awful for everyone just to make a few people feel good about themselves.

It makes no sense.

@tyburn-ketch said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@tyburn-ketch Need to point out that the PC community for this game specifically, is not the major population base.

Rare gave stats on that back during the betas. PC base is minority, got news for us. This is a console game and the majority of players are Xbox.

So that argument is not going to work here but normally I'd be with you.

I think we’ve crossed some wires here. I said that the Xbox has noticed a sharp decrease in render distance as well as pcs.

My point was why nerf the majority (Xbox and pcs) for the few (pants pcs)?

I don’t know about you man ... but I’m getting proper jaded going over this topic again.

It’s destroying the game for me. As soon as I see blatantly awful “pops”, and I can’t use the spyglass because items haven’t rendered in when I’m practically on top of them, I just want to quit out.

And I often do.

I’ve not found one valid use for the spyglass yet except it marks the people using it to look my direction as scared and worth sinking.

The ship silhouettes are ridiculously dark against the background and very easy to pick out. Individual players have wonky rendering so you usually won’t be able to see them with a spyglass. It’s basically a paperweight with no utility in this game.

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@tyburn-ketch said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@tyburn-ketch Need to point out that the PC community for this game specifically, is not the major population base.

Rare gave stats on that back during the betas. PC base is minority, got news for us. This is a console game and the majority of players are Xbox.

So that argument is not going to work here but normally I'd be with you.

I think we’ve crossed some wires here. I said that the Xbox has noticed a sharp decrease in render distance as well as pcs.

My point was why nerf the majority (Xbox and pcs) for the few (pants pcs)?

I don’t know about you man ... but I’m getting proper jaded going over this topic again.

It’s destroying the game for me. As soon as I see blatantly awful “pops”, and I can’t use the spyglass because items haven’t rendered in when I’m practically on top of them, I just want to quit out.

And I often do.

I’ve not found one valid use for the spyglass yet except it marks the people using it to look my direction as scared and worth sinking.

The ship silhouettes are ridiculously dark against the background and very easy to pick out. Individual players have wonky rendering so you usually won’t be able to see them with a spyglass. It’s basically a paperweight with no utility in this game.

Yep. This is not a PC vs Xbox issue. Render distance for assets and islands, as well as LOD, is garbage across all platforms. Period.

Rare needs to go back to the engine configuration they had before the first post launch patch and optimize it.

This should not be an issue at launch, let alone months after. This was marketed as a finished AAA game, with a price tag to match, but they delivered a buggy, half baked early-access shell. Something needs to light a fire under them to help them get motivated to focus and produce better work.

I’d imagine people leaving might do that ... or perhaps no one else joining would be more reason to focus.

I completely agree with you. I’ve been fighting this issue since the first patch. It’s nothing short of a discrace.

@personalc0ffee said in LOD has been downgraded again (on PC):

@andreas5524 It isn't about low and high. It's about advantage. Player rending and ship rendering are specifically kept in line to one another.

Sure you can see farther but you still can't hit anything cause it isn't there yet.

Player rendering distance, sure. We are properly screwed on that. Rendering distance of high res island models? That doesn't affect pvp at all. They should have a higher setting for PCs. I get a 140-155 fps on the ocean.

There is no reason to not implement this if it does not affect PVP interaction. Why hold back? This game is supposedly going to be developed over 10 year period. Why hamstring your own game and how it CAN look? I'm sure every artist and modeler, effects and shader employee would love to see the title they worked on looking as good as it can look.

One other thing, why does it seem like there are pretty much two levels of LOD on these islands? I mean they look like melted icecream and suddenly pop in to a full high res model. Is there a problem with having multiple LOD displays for models? Isn't that the whole purpose for them is to help manage resources but also do it in a way where it isn't so obvious to the player?

I'm curious how many LOD models they have for player characters at long range?

Indeed. It’s either on or off - which is ugly.