Separate PVP and PVE

  • PikAvenger
    Rogue

    @hoppentosse said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    Last but not least: you can't take it seriously. Suppose I also wanted football to be played in PVE, because I like to walk across the field with the ball for myself, but you know, that's not football anymore.

    If that's what you want to do and you aren't preventing others from playing "the way it was meant to be played" then go for it. People asking for PVE only are not asking for PVP to be removed for everyone, just for their experience.

    If I wanted to play PVE by myself and get all the way to Pirate Legend, it doesn't impact you AT ALL! At least most PVE players want to just experience the game and enjoy it rather than rush to the end by grinding.

  • BraveKnightGame

    You know what I do when I'm struggling
    Find something to mess with everyone on the server. Than even though I was sunk 10 times I was still having fun and can't wait for the next play session

    My goto is to singet shantys to every ship I come across and if the want to sink someone doing nothing but singing no harm done

  • Crimsonraziel
    Master
    Insider

    @the-kr1tt3r german?

  • Glannigan
    Sailor

    A coward dies a thousand deaths!

    You PVE queens make me sick! You want the oceans to be safe and rules by law and order...

    NEVER!!!!

  • Captain Coel
    Commander
    Insider

    @pikavenger said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @hoppentosse said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    Last but not least: you can't take it seriously. Suppose I also wanted football to be played in PVE, because I like to walk across the field with the ball for myself, but you know, that's not football anymore.

    If that's what you want to do and you aren't preventing others from playing "the way it was meant to be played" then go for it. People asking for PVE only are not asking for PVP to be removed for everyone, just for their experience.

    If I wanted to play PVE by myself and get all the way to Pirate Legend, it doesn't impact you AT ALL! At least most PVE players want to just experience the game and enjoy it rather than rush to the end by grinding.

    But it does impact me. Who else am I going to rob?

  • Gloog
    Master
    Founder

    @mcdougle99 said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    thief
    θiːf/Submit
    noun
    a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or threat of violence.

    a lot of people are claiming thieves are murderers, it's just plain wrong, the title "Sea of Thieves" would actually suggest a player goes out of their way to never be seen by any other player in the game

    I equally despise the people who point out pirates weren't bloodthirsty historically as much as I despise the "it's called sea of thieves" people. It's a game, with a game design, for gameplay purposes. That's it.

    I also want to point out that you can't bold specific parts of a defintion. There's a very important word there: especially.

  • PikAvenger
    Rogue

    @coel03 There is literally no chance that EVERYONE is going to switch to PVE. The seas will still be chock full of targets. The only change is that (hopefully) it will be full of people WANTING to engage in PVP.

  • Captain Coel
    Commander
    Insider

    @pikavenger said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @coel03 There is literally no chance that EVERYONE is going to switch to PVE. The seas will still be chock full of targets. The only change is that (hopefully) it will be full of people WANTING to engage in PVP.

    But the pve only people are such juicy targets. It's like candy from a kindergarten class.

    I spend most of my time as a solo sloop running gold hoarder or merchant missions. I very rarely get sunk or lose loot. You need to play smart. Pve requires vigilance and speed. Otherwise I'm gonna gank your loot.

  • Glannigan
    Sailor

    You know what's nuts?

    As someone who is always looking for a fight I go days withour even seeing another ship and you who are living in fear act like you can't make it a mile out of Port without getting wrecked.

  • PikAvenger
    Rogue

    @coel03 said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @pikavenger said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @coel03 There is literally no chance that EVERYONE is going to switch to PVE. The seas will still be chock full of targets. The only change is that (hopefully) it will be full of people WANTING to engage in PVP.

    But the pve only people are such juicy targets. It's like candy from a kindergarten class.

    I spend most of my time as a solo sloop running gold hoarder or merchant missions. I very rarely get sunk or lose loot. You need to play smart. Pve requires vigilance and speed. Otherwise I'm gonna gank your loot.

    Ah, so you only like to loot people who can't/won't fight back. Got it.

  • Captain Coel
    Commander
    Insider

    @pikavenger said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @coel03 said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @pikavenger said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @coel03 There is literally no chance that EVERYONE is going to switch to PVE. The seas will still be chock full of targets. The only change is that (hopefully) it will be full of people WANTING to engage in PVP.

    But the pve only people are such juicy targets. It's like candy from a kindergarten class.

    I spend most of my time as a solo sloop running gold hoarder or merchant missions. I very rarely get sunk or lose loot. You need to play smart. Pve requires vigilance and speed. Otherwise I'm gonna gank your loot.

    Ah, so you only like to loot people who can't/won't fight back. Got it.

    I'll prey on anyone. It's just the pve targets are lambs. I mean wolves kill them first right?

    Edit. I like my lamb with mint au jus

  • Crimsonraziel
    Master
    Insider

    @glannigan sagte in Separate PVP and PVE:

    You know what's nuts?

    As someone who is always looking for a fight I go days withour even seeing another ship and you who are living in fear act like you can't make it a mile out of Port without getting wrecked.

    Noting crazy about it. It's absolutely logical. If you can't find anyone who want's to fight with you, they obviously have to be somewhere else. Finally you get to know where.

  • the KR1TT3R

    @crimsonraziel nope. American.

  • AbandonedTitan7

    @mcdougle99 I'd like to suggest Rare retitle to "Sea of Pirates"...... Er- wait... That doesn't really have a ring to it. Ignore me.

  • Sweltering Nick
    Castaway

    @the-kr1tt3r said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    If you are going to have a quest system, NPC enemies, puzzles and adventure based play you should have a peaceful quest or merchant only mode or server or vice/versa.

    I have been struggling for days to complete a single merchant mission only to be annoyed by aggressive players who seek only to ruin my day, steal my crates and sink my ship in a childish display of dominance. Some players have limited game time and this is frustrating. I repeatedly take a friendly posture, use lights, chat, etc. and am repeatedly disrespected.

    Rewarding aggressive player behavior by awarding experience for stolen items seems unfair as well. Shouldn't experience be gained from voyage completion? Ships supplies should be off limits to discourage petty aggression. There are barrels on every island, and floating randomly in the water. Making ships supplies available to petty looting only encourages aggression against peaceful players.

    There is no need for questing or experience if the game is going to be PVP only. Just make it a $20 boat battle game. Why bother Questing? Love the sailing and treasure hunting, but forced PVP is NOT fun. I enjoy hunting for treasure, merchant quests, solving riddles and killing skeletons. I DO NOT enjoy be FORCED to fight other players all the time. There is a deep sea of fun game in there waiting to come out, but it seems the shallows is where its wallowing at the moment.

    This topic is dead, mate... There are tons of forum posts where this topic has been debunked by the vast majority of the playerbase, and also rejected officially by Rare, on several podcasts and interviews.

    They will not separate the playerbase.

  • the KR1TT3R

    @pikavenger Yeah, I don't get how even from the begining of this thread I have stated numerous times that I AM NOT SUGGESTING ANY CHANGES FOR THE EXISTING GAME. NONE. PERIOD. I only wondered if there was a way to do a SEPARATE MODE. A completely SEPERATE game mode where those who wish not to encounter other players, AT ALL, can familiarize themselves with the game or just play passively against only NPCS and AI by choosing it. Like an offline mode. I ALSO stated NUMEROUS TIMES that I was willing to take lesser XP and NO achievements while playing this way. I have been accused of setting a tone which never happened, it's a myth. My statement of "childish trend" refers only to those players who ARE rude and do not respect those who indicate in EVERY possible way, as I DID on both occassions (which, is what drove me into the forum in the first place) while playing where I was disrespected by players while on a peaceful merchant voyage and carrying only crates and coups. But, I remained calm, ignored the confusion and took the hits over and over again. I thanked those who offered help and in the end I think things worked out ok. However, I'm positive there are still people out there who never understood my point. Simply because there are likely so many people complaining about similar experiences in a way that is NOT constructive, and/or throwing around insults. Hopefully people will re read my posts and realize they really were just confused and that I never indicated I wanted their game to change at all.

  • the KR1TT3R

    @sweltering-nick thanks I realize that now, but at the time I didn't.

  • Danomite07
    Marauder

    I think that at outposts PVP and stealing should be off limits theres got be a safe zone, especially for single players

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  • Shartwork
    Marauder
    Insider

    @the-kr1tt3r I don't think you quite see the point though. What you're asking for is not fair to people who play the game normally. "How?" you might ask...well you'd earn all of the things I earned the normal way with absolutely no risk and in probably half the time. You'd be half the player with all the rewards. You'd probably reach legend in just a few short weeks since you'd never have to worry about pvp. "But it's cosmetics only!" Correct, and you'll get all the cosmetics everyone else worked hard for with no effort. If you're that set on avoiding pvp just learn to keep an eye out and run. It isn't hard to just set sail in a line and jump off and drop someones anchor. Doing this 1-2 times usually makes them leave you alone immediately. PvE servers would do nothing but split the playerbase. Rare is completely and utterly against doing that. That is why 100% of DLC is free, that is why there's no power levels, that is why there's no gear stats. If they implement pve servers they're throwing all of that out of the window. You've heard it before, but it's the only thing to say to people STILL asking for pve servers. Learn. To. Defend. Yourself.

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  • HolezInYa

    @rumham636

    I’ll sail with a rumham any day.

  • Gloog
    Master
    Founder

    @cardshark-360 why are these threads not being locked and directed to the megathread anymore? I'm only curious because @Deckhands used to lock these.

    Anywho, separating the game in two will create a grind mode and a fight mode. It's ridiculous people don't see this utterly destroying the game designs in a pvevp sandbox about player choice within the unrestricted open world.

  • Ronkar4726
    Marauder

    @cardshark-360 said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @KRANICKEL As the purpose of your post is to incite unrest within the community which is against the Forum Rules I have deleted your post.

    The latter is true, yes, you deleted it. The former part is wrong! It was stating another sight on the interpretation of what this game is about and what one could expect, given the title. And that just in a humorous way, nothing more, nothing less. Sad to see such overreacting interpretations and no sense of humor.

  • princes lettuce
    Master
    Insider

    I understand what you mean, 99% of players are aggressive. We were at an outpost yesterday, and had sold all of our stuff. We saw a galleon approaching and decided to play them some music. They played music with us and we went to the tavern together and had a drink. It was so nice, and I was genuinely surprised that nice players existed. And then they just shot me and my friend in the back. For no. reason. at. all. Pirates...

  • princes lettuce
    Master
    Insider

    @coel03 the players who do like PvP? It seems like a LOT of people on this forum prefer to keep the game PvP so you could just rob each other.

    The only thing you would be 'missing' are easy targets.

  • Trickrrrtreat
    Insider

    @the-kr1tt3r said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @rumham636 I was hoping there would be someone who thinks "yeah attacking solo players who indicate they are on a merchant voyage and are not carrying any or minimal loot makes me a d**k. I should let them learn the game and fight them when they are prepared to fight or qualified to fight. I should probably be paired with other players that are worthy and equal opponents and if the game can't offer that level of sophistication, I should probably do the right thing and leave them alone especially if they ask me nicely several times and there really is nothing to gain in terms of treasure." That would be a start I guess. There are people, not a majority, but enough, who aren't as good at the game as they may think. They prey on the noobs and those who are clearly not interested in fighting. Whether because they are working on a particular voyage or just trying to enjoy some peaceful adventuring while learning the ropes at a comfortable pace of their own choosing. I just think there should be NPC only servers or an offline mode or something so those who don't wish to be bothered can enjoy the game. I even stated that it could be at a lesser xp gain and with zero achievements. But never did I indicate that it should change the current pvp play for those who wish to play that way. Thats all. But apparently my opinionand my thoughts on the subject aren't even worthy of consideration or constructive exchange.

    This game is a pirate free for all where the pirate with the most skill, best tactics, or strongest crew gets the loot. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Stop being so fragile and wanting everything to be fair and on your terms. It's not going to happen and the sooner you realize this the better. You may get your way IRL but in this game the pirates have taken over. I am sorry if this comes across as rude or hostile, I am just being factual.
    Adapt or die or leave.

  • HorizonLegendo
    Ship Mate

    Separate PVP and PVE is a terrible idea and yet it get's replied to every day over and over again...

  • the KR1TT3R

    @trickrtreat01 Nah, not today. Nope. I don't think I will actually. I'll bet if you crunched the numbers you would find the audience split right down the middle on this issue. It seems to get plenty of attention. Regardless, my money is just as green as yours, my input equally as valid.

  • the KR1TT3R

    @blg-strong-dad For like the... I don't know 6th time maybe... I HAVE CLEARLY STATED I AM FOR CRIPPLING XP AND NO ACHIEVEMENTS.

  • Shartwork
    Marauder
    Insider

    @the-kr1tt3r Then that's an absolute waste of Rare's time and resources. Just learn to play the normal game.

  • Odyssee mit Tee
    Sailor

    the-kr1tt3r

    only to be annoyed by aggressive players who seek only to ruin my day, steal my crates and sink my ship in a childish display of dominance.

    That is the group of losers who have failed to become Human beings and find joy in their life.
    So their only Joy is the imagination to take the Joy away from others as well.

    I repeatedly take a friendly posture, use lights, chat, etc. and am repeatedly disrespected.

    That's the second group, degenerated subjects of society who have never experienced true respect and are therefore unable to act respectable towards others as well.
    But unlike in reality, thankfully... in these game it is legal to just shoot this s**m. =)

    .
    I believe your problem is that you play alone. This game is not meant to be played alone.
    And you sound like a Soloplayer. You refer to the loot as yours, not that of your Crew.

    Reality of the game is... you are not supposed to be safe in this game anywhere.
    And other players have no obligation to act nice or respectable towards you either.
    Your waving hand and nice words as I imagine, hold no authority over others to behave in a certain manner.

    It seems as if Sea of Thieves has lured the s**m of videogamer-society to flood it.
    But I think this could be a good point in the game.
    That makes finding decent people so much more precious and rewarding.

    Maybe you befriend them also, who knows?
    And it is not the shimmering gold we lower the sails for. ^_^
    It is the memorys and experiences we share with our ffffuaaaands!!! :-3 (lol)

    So get sum!! ^^

  • The Estler
    Master
    Insider

    @princes-lettuce said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @coel03 the players who do like PvP? It seems like a LOT of people on this forum prefer to keep the game PvP so you could just rob each other.

    The only thing you would be 'missing' are easy targets.

    This a continuation of the mischaracterization that PvP'rs want "easy targets" many of us who play the game in either PvE or PvP have at one time been these "easy targets." However it takes time to learn the game mechanics in such a way that you become a difficult target, a non-target, or god forbid a hostile. I will continue to argue on behalf of a mixed server because it makes PvE much more dynamic and enjoyable for many of us who have survived the crucible of such a high learning curve.

  • Anttarax
    Insider

    I think it's not a good idea

  • Trickrrrtreat
    Insider

    @the-kr1tt3r said in Separate PVP and PVE:

    @trickrtreat01 I'll bet if you crunched the numbers you would find the audience split right down the middle on this issue.

    If that were the case, then you would only be attacked by half of the people you come across. But listen to most of the people that want PVE servers or safe mode and they will tell you they get attacked constantly, that every ship is hostile, that every outpost is camped by bloodthirsty "griefers".

    So which is it, is everyone constantly attacked ( meaning the majority of the players like the game as it is) or are people grossly exaggerating and you really only get attacked half the time ? Either way it sounds like the game does not need to be altered.

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