@gawdly-nevik sagte in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
You done here?
First finish your glue! You know how you are when you're hungry!
Why cater exclusively to PC?!
What facts have your side used to counter the indisputable claim that PC has an advantage? Old, unverified claims by Rare from the alpha ? The only ones ducking the topic are the "m*********e" players that resist playing solely with other advantaged players. I have asked at least 10 different times and have not had one person attempt to answer. Every response is a deflection.
Why do you insist on forcing players to play with you when they don't want to? It's that simple. I'm not advocating complete elimination of cross play so why the vitriol for the simple request to have the option to not play with advantaged players? My only thought is that those of you that fight the suggestion enjoy and need to have an uneven playing field against the majority of players. I'm not stating it as fact, I just cannot think of any other reason for the rage stirred up when it's mentioned. Absent finally receiving a legitimate response to that what else are we to think?
I just want my ADS sensitivity to be greater than that of a grandma, just as PC did. So give me a damn ADS slider and maybe even some higher end sensitivities would go a long way for console users and ill be happy. Frankly faster loads, better frames and point/click shoot isn't game breaking to me. I've been slapping PC kids since launch ADS speed won't change that but it certainly would help in closing that gap
On that note maybe people do in fact feel differently. Like without keyboard mouse they can't contest. This is a forum for feedback and suggestions. Someone merely suggesting an option for cross play servers shouldn't be completely bewildering in a feedback/suggestion thread. You losers need to get a hold of yourselves.
@gerinako86 lol if its happening every time I'd have to go out on a limb and say ADS speed has nothing to do with it :/
@gawdly-nevik said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
@gerinako86 lol if its happening every time I'd have to go out on a limb and say ADS speed has nothing to do with it :/
I actually can't recall killing anyone in a fair fight
*by fair not backstabbing them, gunpowder barrel, killing when clearly afk etc ! oops....
@gawdly-nevik I'm a PC player and i can tell you its still a pain in the a*s to aim with a scope or a canon.
@fearthebeardig must be playing at a real low dpi. If you don't play on a fast sensitivity why would you be able to look fast. I don't know why you guys keep coming in here trying to convince me the update did nothing. I tested it myself. I have seen it first hand. And I'm not talking about fold who have used scripts yada yada, forget all that extra carp. Also I'm not sure how sensitivity sliders for ADS would make things worse but if you feel implementing that is a legitimate concern go post that nonsense on your own thread.
@rezerekterr-- no man, you are not using to too close to the enemy.
i rarely see EoR in the game, but when i do stare down the scope flare, i just wait for him to shot and then side step a little.the bullet velocity is super slow and extremly easy to dodge, even in water.
when im in the water with a EoR enemy at even medium range, i swim around in circles until he used all his shots or get annoyed he cant hit anything and leaves.
i have NEVER been killed with a EoR nor have i ever killed someone with it.EoR is a PvE weapon used by noobs who stand on the ship "attempting" to snipe skeletons, they usually miss 3 of 5 shots and end up not helping the team.
i have stood side by side an EoR user, and with my pistol i hit more targets far range than they do.increase the bullet speed/velocity of EoR and it "might" gain usefullness, this will make hitting long/mid range targets easier and give it the edge it need over pistol.
i hear alot of players complain about the "unfair advantage" but EoR is STILL GARBAGE and people using it in PVP will put their team at a disadvange for bieng a utter butterhead, and then they die.
i have seen 1 player use it who was a pc, im 36-35-30 and i have maybe seen the EoR used in my adventures 15 times total.
nobody uses this underperforming useless tool, and certainly not enough for you to cry wolf and try and raise a huge "We dont want crossplatform" movement in THIS POST.
do pc NOW have an advantage over console,, Not yet,, it is still the EoR we are talking about.focus on the detail of this post, pc players now have a little faster aim down sights, Will the EoR be used more by pc? not likely but lets take a few days and see what happens.
EoR in PVP is still BAD for anyone and everyone.running to the forums to complain BEFORE we have any data to complain about.
thats is also useless.
i would like to see posts with ;
"all pc players now use sword and EoR"
"pc players snipe me out of crowsnest in storm all the time"
"pc players stopped using cannons, now they just snipe us of the ship"
"number of pc players vs cosole players using EoR now evenly increased to 50/50 "
"not just kids using EoR anymore, adults now use em too"
"how to tell if im killed by pc vs console???????"my guess is; not much is going to change, unless the EoR stars to fire faster bullets, then PC might truely have an unfair advantage, but then we just might have to reverse the aim down sights speed to fix it and/or increase the reload speed of the rifle.
WHY CATER EXCLUSIVLY TO PC - its the title of the post.
answer; the EoR "buff" is a terrible subject to build this arguement over, its a toygun for kids. better subjects can be found, Rare havnt done anything, YET. that might "cater exlusivly to pc" and they are listening to what goes on in the forums.
they just might be working on buffing the EoR in general to make it good. if/when this happens, then we (the players) need to observe and test thiese changes.
if we find out the "new" system has broken the console vs pc balance, THEN we go to the forums and INFORM (not complain) we need a fix.
we should NOT complain BEFORE we see any notable changes.
its what Smart people do.many things can be done to make the EoR a good weapon choice for medium to long range combat, -increased bullet velocity -increased dmg at long rang/vs lower dmg ar close range -slower reload time.
this "update" might increase the tools usefullness on ANY platform, and distiguish it as a long range pvp weapon in SKILLED hands. noobs and kids might get "lucky" and hit youand before you start hating, some of my best team mates are console peasants, damn good ones. skill over hardware. tactic over noobs. boxes with brains.
@gawdly-nevik Just to be clear. OP is 100% correct in saying that the EoR is unusable on console due to the extremely slow aiming.
@gawdly-nevik you act like your playing competive overwatch lol.. this a silly game where you do silly things...who cares?? I'm an xbox guy and I don't.. you shouldn't ether.. worst case what... you lose a castaway chest?
@therealdadbeard said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
@gawdly-nevik sagte in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
Just keep on with the jokes and stuff, I guess its easier to hide the truth with a bit of mockery. You silly kids that claim to have tested and have in fact done nothing but troll the forums. This is the last you'll hear out of me because seems these forums are just filled with these PC MLG Pros that know best LOLOL. Its fine have your ADS sensitivity buff, ill still spank that ace. Always have always will. Its just truly sad that you can't see the other side of things because what? Retardation? Or "because, well, I'm pc so I'm automatically superior. I'm going to laugh myself to sleep tonight.
If they buff your sens or give you an bigger slider would that satisfy you? You still would be at an disadvantage but could move faster. And like I said the buff to ads on pc was like nonexistant, trust me.
What would satisfy me is if I had the option to opt out of cross platform play. Those console players who want to play with PC palyers at a disadvantage can have the option to opt in. I am pretty close to quitting, and so are a lot of console players. When a PC player can swing their sword more consecutive times than a Console player, it becomes very clear of how bad the advantage gap is. That's not even going into how fast the screen can be adjusted, and the sensitivity of aim, etc. It's really a PC players game at this point, and if I would have been aware as a console player that the game was going to be tailored toward PC players I would not have purchased it in the first place.
Rare really needs to fix this, and the only fix from a technical stand point is to allow players to opt in or out of cross play, and it is a 'simple' fix, but one that costs money (more servers) potentially.
@drbullhammer said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
@daguse0 said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
@gawdly-nevik are you playing solo or with a group of friends, or a pug?
Is there a problem with playing with pugs?
Lol yeah, they always breath in to their mics way to loudly. Lol
@gawdly-nevik I noticed this yesterday when I was playing. I pulled out the Eye of Reach to take out some skeletons and it was like I initiated slow-mo. If I wanted to use the rifle effectively, I had to run a ways away and then turn and aim. I ended up going back to blunderbuss and sword as my weapons even with the damage nerf. This is not a gamebreaker though considering the EoR is not designed for CQC....hence the reach part in the name...
@th3xr34p3r
Why should console players have to spend £100 on add ons just to be on a level playing field with pc users??
Why not ban KB+M & force all pc users to buy controllers?? As the PC m*********e are all loaded & can afford to chuck money at your pc, £50 more for a controller wont hurt now will it?Why don't all the PC players give the console users a break anyway?
Anyone with any sense at all can tell that a KB+M has an advantage over Controller for any form of PVP.
All console users want is to be able to compete fairly.
All pc players who keep chiming in & disagreeing still cannot give a definitive reason why except the lame 'it'll ruin the playerbase' c**p!!
The playerbase will still be there!! As there are only about 20-24 players per instance, i really cant see the issue.
It all boils down to the PC players wanting to keep the easy targets in, there is no other reason pc players can be against it!@angry-popeye69 PC players are toxic? all the salt and trash talking i have experienced in game and forums seems to come from console players.
in game voice insults have 100% come from console players in my games.
most forum posts start with console players bieng salty about something and then pc users join in.sure you will see pc users write utter cow manure in posts, but did they start it ?
looking thru forum titles, it doesnt seem so.I’m going to respond to the original post that was calling for console improvements to aim. The thread has devolved into this whole PC m*********e argument that is just stupid and not rooted in reality.
The thing is, the EoR is just designed to be a piece of t**d. They did that specifically so not to turn this into Sea of Duty.
All the controls are sluggish and have slow projectiles to avoid aimbots from being able to be used on PC.
Even on PC, the turning speed from the comments here have to be modified with 3rd party software in order to give these PC players this “unfair advantage” everyone complains about. I’m pretty sure using these 3rd party tools is against the ToS..
However, there are the vast majority of PC players (my brother for one) who do not use these methods. To them, the EoR used to be even MORE unusable then it is for us console players. That is all this patch did, was put them on par.
It is still slow and clunky for everyone that doesn’t cheat with third party software to modify their input devices.
Do we all want a EoR to be more responsive like most modern day shooters? I’m not so sure. But that is for a different thread.
In the end, there isn’t anything exclusive for PC players.. so this title claiming some kind of catering to them is ill-founded. They are simply working on making the game even for everyone... and PC players are just as important as the console players. They deserve QoL changes, especially when the QoL need ONLY was affecting them.
@logansdadtoo said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
@th3xr34p3r
Why should console players have to spend £100 on add ons just to be on a level playing field with pc users??
Why not ban KB+M & force all pc users to buy controllers?? As the PC m*********e are all loaded & can afford to chuck money at your pc, £50 more for a controller wont hurt now will it?I can tell you now that myself and a lot of other PC players already have controllers for this and other games where we feel they suite them better than a kb+m, as for being loaded hah.
Why don't all the PC players give the console users a break anyway?
I could ask the same of console players that don't want to leave PC players alone.
Anyone with any sense at all can tell that a KB+M has an advantage over Controller for any form of PVP.
No not in any form of PVP.. it highly depends on the game and what is best for it at the time based on the options out there for controls. Yes this is true for most 3rd and 1st person shooters but there are other genres where a specific controller for a given situation makes more sense.
All console users want is to be able to compete fairly.
I can tell you now that there is no such thing even on console there are players with controllers or as I stated above using xim4's and or keymanders to get an advantage over those using the out of box controllers that come with the console at the time of launch.
All pc players who keep chiming in & disagreeing still cannot give a definitive reason why except the lame 'it'll ruin the playerbase' c**p!!
And I keep saying in multiple threads in various forums even as a PC player that co-op should stay cross-play where as pure PVP should have a toggle for those that want to have the option or not and I prefer having to play with friends whom are on other consoles whilst I am on PC as it has been something I have been asking for for decades when it comes to multiplayer gaming.
The playerbase will still be there!! As there are only about 20-24 players per instance, i really cant see the issue.
Refer to the above answer.
It all boils down to the PC players wanting to keep the easy targets in, there is no other reason pc players can be against it!
Easy targets are any targets that do not communicate and work as a crew effectively in this game be you PC or Console, don't complain about being a easy target if you cannot sort yourself and your crew into roles especially if you choose to PUG via matchmaking, use the LFG tools available to you to find people willing to be at least a half decent crew with you to start with.
@logansdadtoo sagte in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
It all boils down to the PC players wanting to keep the easy targets in, there is no other reason pc players can be against it!
Actually, for me the most convincing reason to be against it, is your post.
@buck-luny said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
If you think PC players have a better experience, why not play on PC? It's cross buy/ play right?
Noone and nothing is stopping you.Exactly this. Just use the same MS account to sign into the store and xbox app and you are sorted. Adjust the settings in the game to match your current system if it matched the specs and that's it (granted as it stands there is no real difference between cursed and mystical but that is an issue being debated to the devs in other threads a the moment to get it sorted).
@buck-luny said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
Heck you'll probably still want to play with controller because it's relaxed to just sit back and play with.
Yup, with most if not all modern games for the last few years I even swap between kb+m and controller based on what I am doing in the game. In this I would use my controller when I am steering the ship if I don't feel like using the A and D keys to do so or just anything in gen if I am not in combat.
@playfuldreaming said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
Please read the patch notes again. They didn't give PC players an advantage; they sped up down-sight aiming while using the sniper because mouse acceleration on PC caused it to move much slower than for Xbox players.
In other words, those playing on Xbox actually had an advantage over PC players.
@gawdly-nevik said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
@playfuldreaming No. Just no.
When someone completely disproves your point and all you can say is "No."
Console players always play the victim card. Every choice has concequences, you chose a console knowing you had to use a controller. Ok. So don't go yell at PC players because their controls are easier? Thats not an unfair advantage, thats life.
If you can't deal with your choice then maybe switch to PC, or use a kb+m on console, im pretty sure you can do that with accessories
@gawdly-nevik said in Why cater exclusively to PC?!:
@knifelife like I said, keep it constructive. If you're going to come in and leave a half thought out idea as a post then maybe don't post anything? Its so funny how obvious it is when one of you PC players make a post.
He was agreeing with you... :/
@gawdly-nevik @gawdly-nevik @gawdly-nevik I hope you know, especially because you dont obviously PC game, but sensitivity is an "sensitive" thing to us. We dont have unlimited spaces and also can hurt our shoulder and wrist. People develop carpel tunnel because of issues like this.
Rare said they will be adding a slider soon, I don't know if its for console too, but as it was right now really was painful for us all.
You also complain about something irrelevant to you. You dont even play PC and dont realise how big the problem was. Console players can adjust to other sensitivities, although having the right sensitivity is better, it is not a calamitous problem as it is to a PC gamer.
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