To many toxic people. The areana does not stop players from griefing you after tall tales . You spend hours on 1 mission. Just to be griefed. alliance servers no friendly fire. We need this. Nobody enjoys being griefed. Nobody wants to join alliances. How about private servers? I mean thats not to hard right? Something anything.. stop ignoring the community . Everyone always puts pvp over pve its getting old.
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@xxwarr-blood-xx so before you say "you pvp people..." I'm a PvE player, i prefer to be left alone to do my stuff, but if it comes to PvP I can handle it...it's been awhile I've been sunk in a serious fight...
Surprise attack or permanent beeing killed on own ship never happened in a year now, because I watch my surroundings and know how to reactPlease change the core intent of the game and remove all players.
This whole game is build around interactions with diffrent outcomes. Now u ask to change this core mechanic?
My opinion on the matter is just NO.
The interactions good and bad make this game.
Maybe a single player storyline driven pirate game is more for u.What u ask is not SoT.
Although i agree with @Schwammlgott and @WeakDexx
I want to ask you something in detail.- What was the toxic that happened to you in detail?
Did they insult you in Chat?
If so, please report them.
It's bad we have those jerks, but we shouldnt let them spoil our game.
The more players report them and the more we nip it in the bud and allow not the slightest insults, we have a chance to get rid of the most of them. Dont feed them, say nothing, just quit and report if someone trashtalks and more.
Did they spawnkill you over and over?
Unfortunately we want the freedom to do so, although i agree it's not that much playfull and "sportive".
But Supplies should be stealable
And some players spawnkill you therefore. I dont like it, i don't do it and i dont grant others my supplies.
The counter to this is to scuttle immediatley.About griefing.
What happened in detail that you say you were griefed.
I'm not the one who want to play your problems down, i want to understand and maybe offer a solution.
I firstly was against PvE Servers, i then switch my mind for several reasons, but there was and is one point that made me think over again and until i'm split about it.
To me progression is seconded, i do not become envy on others of they get cosmetics "easier" (without beeing exposed to PvP), but there is a core design element of SoT that iike very much and that is the uncertainty about other players.
You dont know what they will do.
If we split PvP and PvE we would know that this uncertainty would dwindle to zero and everybody will attack you, because those who arent interested in beeing attacked or to attack will play on pve only.
That would make the PvP server a deathmatch server.
But the Adventure servers arent PvP Deathmatch Servers and they shouldn't become one.They are mixed mode Servers, to adventure cooperative and competetive, about unpredictable threats from the environment (Kraken, Megalodon...) and other players, but not mandatory or necessarily. You also can become allied and work together to increase the booty.
You also can betray and risk to loose all or get it all for yourself alone.
This freedom is good, but it ask you to be ok with it.
That's sandbox gameplay to some degree.
Rare build this game a way that the social experience they want you to make highly depends on the players you interact with.
Everybody is asked to contribute to a playfull and fun orientated aproach.
Loosing, winning and progressing is seconded.
It's only cosmetics, nothing gamechanging.
You can participate and play all you want from the very fist minute and you miss nothing in comparison to a Piratelegend.
There is no gamemechanical power gap, no need to grind amything or anything that punishes you when you loose.
All you need to do is make it about the adventure and nothing else.
Then even getting sunk can make it for a good story in the Tavern.
And when you one day have a couple of miles sailed, unlocked this or that cosmetic and title you can say that it was a though and unforgiving, but also fun and memorable journey up to here.
That is what it is about in the Sea of Thieves.Good winds
~Bill- What was the toxic that happened to you in detail?
@xxwarr-blood-xx There's nothing others have not yet said.
I agree and amd firmly in the NO part of this conversation.I'll ad this: You're probably new to the game. Yet to learn how to act in certain situations.
Being new isn't bad, wanting instant gratification without any challenge is in my opinion really bad. This game was designed as a multiplayer PvPvE game where we all get the same tools as our disposal and get to use those tools how we see fit.A few things you might not have noticed:
- The drawdistance is amazing, this makes it so you can see ships aproaching from really far away.
- There is no actual progression, this makes it so one pirate isn't stronger then another, only more skilled (something to strive for)
- Everything you buy/ collect/ work for comes down to cosmetics, this ties a bit into my second point, but this also works to make loss feel less daunting. If you lose you lose. No problem you just try again. You're not losing progress or anything.
- There are many tools to use to your advantage that don't involve murder, You have a speaking trumpet to talk to people, you have an alliance flag to offer alliance, you have a rowboat to escape unnoticed,
What you're asking is for a developer to throw resources into something that goes against the games design while you've probably not even propperly played the game to understand what it's all about.
I’m four runs away from completing every tall tale fives times, the majority whilst solo and I’m yet to be sunk by another crew. Is this because I’m a master pvp ninja? No. In fact I’m less than average at pvp, and when I play alone I do all I can to avoid pvp. I play smart, I keep an eye on my surroundings, put distance between myself and other ships and wait for a safer time before moving toward my objective. Though with that, I’ve been through a few close scrapes!
Point is, with a little awareness and experience in this game it’s possible to stack the odds more in your favour. Adapt to the game, don’t expect the game to adapt to you.
Ps. Being attacked is not toxic. Even if you are in the middle of a tall tale. We accept the risks of playing this game as soon as we press Set Sail.
I'm quite the opposite, as I would rather want the tall tale items to be worth something for us mean and "toxic" PvPers so we can actually steal them rather than just let them sink or just taunt the people we took them from. As for alliance servers, to me they are just cowardly ppl who lost couple of good loot hauls to PvPers and rather than getting better at PvP to defend themselves they want an easy mode to grind in.
@xxwarr-blood-xx
This game is a Pirate Game , Sir . But one with depth ...Why did Rare not stick a value in money on the Tall Tales quest items?
Well, they hope it may trigger things as mercy , compassion and honour in Pirates...It will never happen to me that i steal Tall Tales items since i never attack Pirates , i only defendif they choose to attack...Most Tall Taling Pirates don't go for attack because they have too much to lose , not in value , but in questtime...
Now a few days ago i saw a Brigantine being sunk by a Kraken, when i closed in , the Pirates were gone , something was shining in the water. When coming closer i dove in the Sea and grabbed the Memory Box from Wild Rose and George . It didn't contained questitems but i couldn't remember if they needed this box...They were sunk not far from an Island so i thought that if they wanted this chest back they would be working as dogs to get here as fast as possible before it sinks...i dropped my rowboat and put the chest on it so it would not sink and would be found around the spot they sank before...
Another person, i think it was Mr BugabooBill , but i'm not sure , was attacked or had attacked Pirates , found Tall Tale stuff but placed them somewhere and messaged the crew he stole from where it could be found including an apology...
That too is Sea of Thieves ,Sir...Pirates that play often or all the time start to grow a Heart towards other Pirates ...Fighting should be fun, i always try to die in style ( * Style???? , Moron...You have no style , fool) using accents , Piratey voices and die in a way that my "enemy" laughs...
Sea of Thieves was not developed to troll or grief other players ...But can it be done? Yes ,Sir , it can be done just like in any other Mulitplayer Game...But where the atmosphere of most games prevent that people can have a conversation without being conjured or "put under the spell " of competitive adrenaline that prevents to grow a Heart for others , the atmosphere of SOT does allow that...
i see alot of New Pirates who only talk about PvE/PvP , Grinding, Levelling , Optional Crossplay and things like that but almost never see i a reflexion or a story that embraces the real drive for this game namely : To set out to the Sea and have an adventure that ,nomatter how much effort , can never be reeanacted ...
Back in the day , Mr Chapman , whose cristalclear explenation told ,over and over again, the true Spirit of SOT. Bonding with yer crew and have interactions with the "enemy" and AI of this world...The Man has stopped telling this ,because he is hard at work to provide us new content over time but someone should repeat his words over and over again since the true reason for SOT seem to be forgotten in time...
Look Mr XxxWarBloodxxX, i find it sad that persons troll, in verbal ways or in ways they steal yer Tall Tales stuff and not give it back or throw it somewhere in the Sea so you have to start again...i really do regret this but the PvePvP setup allows Pirates , New or Seasoned , to stop and start to think about the reason why they would steal ,hide or drop items without money value...
in a different topic , Forummembers who have been roaming around for years , are called " Oldtimers"...Well, take it from this " Oldtimer" that if Rare would disconnect PvP with PvE , then a whole lot of Pirates won't progress as humans in a way some Pirates have progressed today...
i have been playing this game for more than two years , Alpha's included, and i have grown as a person...Gold , Levels and Titles don't mean anything for me because i understand that Rare included this to not alienate away from the more standard formulas games are build around...Levels are also a good excuse to release Cosmetics at certain levels...But the main reason for SOT is to cooperate with yer crew , have adventures with them and everyone and everything that uses this world too...
Sure , some evenings can be dissapointing, i lost Tall Tales stuff too, but this game is like Life ...It beats you but if you don't get up and start the other day with fresh Courage and Hope , then Life will beat you untill give up and jump somewhere off to end it all...
SOT is the same , sometimes you can be so sad, angry and frustrated that you use the SOT game as a frisbee but next day , it's is like God Himself is tickling yer feet and you have the fun in a Lifetime...
This game grows on you , and people who play often do change in mentality after a while...This game has let me grow a Heart towards other Pirates and i have more fun and satisfaction if i can help a Brother or Sister of the Coast further in the game , adventure or Tall Tale without hurting their awakening Love for the game...
i really have more Joy and Happiness than steal the gold from someone who doesn't know where to look first if becoming boarded...Being a Pirate is all about scalliwagging or sheniniganning others , in a fun mentality , but if you see thatthe Pirate is inexperienced , new or involved in a Tall Tale then you leave them be or help them out if they are stuck in the riddle...Those kinds of Pirates are the Real Pirates in my eyes ( * How many fingers do i hold up, George? ...Whahahhaaaa, you can't count them hey, crosseyed fool...) simply because they have grown a Heart to the less experienced one and that ,Sir, is one of the Blessings we wouldn't get if PVE became disconneted from PvP...
There are many Pirates that can grant that the Sun shines in other Pirates' eyes , you just need to stumble upon them...Keep playing Mr XxxWarBloodxxX, and i more than sure that one day you will find them and they will turn your whole SOT experience into something you will never experience in anyother game..." Big Words from a very useless Pirate " : you say...Well, Sir , just keep playing and one day you will remember my words and will say with the biggest smile upon your face that i was right all along...
Use yer voice if being boarded and tell without anger that you are Tall Taling and that the Tall tale stuff has no value to others , you will maybe immediatly see that some Pirates will only steal the valuables and leave the other stuff alone , or drop it to a nearby shore...
Whatever you do : Keep on sailing ,please ...One day SOT feels like you opened Hell's Gates but the other day you will meet Pirates , so Great , that you will squeeze yer arm and think you were dreaming...
i wish you renewed motivation and many many Great Adventures in the Future , Sir.
Man up and defend yourself. Stop being a victim. There is no software code or magic wand that can prevent “toxic” humans.
So you all get your PVE Server.....then what? You’ll be here asking for Gun Powder to be removed to stop all the trolls from joining your server?
I’ve been sunk more by my own crew mates then any other player.
....it’s always the guy without the mic you need to worry about.
@xxwarr-blood-xx they aren't ignoring the community because 90% of the community is against everything you suggested. Hopefully you've figured that out from all of the replies and upvotes to those replies compared to upvotes to your post. Keep playing the game. You're gonna lose a lot for a while. But then one day you'll start winning those battles and things will start to click. Then the satisfaction you get from surviving a hard fought battle will be far greater than finishing something with no threats. If you take the PVP out then people will get bored with this game so fast and it will die.
@xxwarr-blood-xx 'listen to the community' . Literally any post talking about PvE servers receives next to no upvotes and is met with several replies disagreeing so no, the community as a whole does not want private servers.
@maciver01
It isn't about disagreeing ,Sir...What many people try to do is open the " range of vision" . i mean this game would not be as good if we had safer options of playing...That " constant threat" is needed to simulate the Lifestyle of Pirates , they had to be all the time on their guard or they ended up to the noose ...But ...Not all encounters in this game end with Bloodshed and verbal vile and that makes the game stand out above so many others ... Why narrow a game while you can play it for a " whole"?@jza16 said in Alliance only servers:
Anyone else catching the irony of the OP's username on this one?! 😂😂😂
I was going to post the same thing then I saw your post 😂
@jza16 I know right?!
What's Next PvPLover666 complaining about being griefed, or Sunm1t1g complaining about being killed in PvP? :-PI don't get why anybody disagrees with a PvE server option. So offer up both, if you like the game the way it is, you play on the PvP server and the game is unchanged for you.
Personally I want a PvE option and the criticism against it is what it is. But again makes no sense to me.
I'm not suggesting they change the overall game, I'm suggesting they add a PvE only option. If you're afraid everybody will go play on the PvE servers and the game as it is will die... then you know what the majority actually wants and it's obvious what they need to do.
I love the game, but I hate having to deal with other players. Just want to do voyages and tall tales.
@loicfarris If you don't understand that the threat of other players is what makes this game great, then I don't know what to tell you. Where is the fun in grinding against skeletons? People are against PvE only servers because it would allow people to grind out gold and rep without any real threat. If you are ok with a PvE server that doesn't reward your grinding, then why not play it as it is and not care about getting sunk?
A PvE only server would be boring, lazy and full of trolls. Powder kegs and disruptive crew members still exist, and would still cause you anguish.
@rowdy-reid said in Alliance only servers:
@loicfarris If you don't understand that the threat of other players is what makes this game great, then I don't know what to tell you. Where is the fun in grinding against skeletons? People are against PvE only servers because it would allow people to grind out gold and rep without any real threat. If you are ok with a PvE server that doesn't reward your grinding, then why not play it as it is and not care about getting sunk?
A PvE only server would be boring, lazy and full of trolls. Powder kegs and disruptive crew members still exist, and would still cause you anguish.
Well that’s not entirely correct. First let’s start by saying I’m NOT in favour of PvE servers myself but the reality is, if some players went off to battle NPCs and you didn’t have to, then you have absolutely nothing to complain about. It makes no difference to you. It’s not for you as you’ve said so you don’t have to do it.
The real risk with these servers however, is that they would/will probably prove to be extremely popular. This could severely compromise the PvPvE servers due to underpopulation.
It’s for this reason that I think that Rare should look at the current game and try to develop some workarounds for the most common complaints. The workarounds should be as unobtrusive as possible and they should be sympathetic to the core game.
I’ve said this on the forum a couple of times and always get shot down but you’d have to be damn short sighted not to see a storm a-brewing.
@loicfarris said in Alliance only servers:
I don't get why anybody disagrees with a PvE server option. So offer up both, if you like the game the way it is, you play on the PvP server and the game is unchanged for you.
Personally I want a PvE option and the criticism against it is what it is. But again makes no sense to me.
I'm not suggesting they change the overall game, I'm suggesting they add a PvE only option. If you're afraid everybody will go play on the PvE servers and the game as it is will die... then you know what the majority actually wants and it's obvious what they need to do.
I love the game, but I hate having to deal with other players. Just want to do voyages and tall tales.
the game is obviously not ur for you. stop trying to change it suit ur playstyle. there are plenty of pve only games out there for u. adding a pve option is changing the overall concept of the game. IMHO.
I played EVE before. i loved the pve, scanning down signatures, doing complexes, ratting etc. but i got my butt kicked in PvP. I actually sucked pretty bad at the pvp. I didn't request CCP to add a pve only server. I changed games because it wasn't for me.
you should probably, do the same.
That argument would have held had it not been for the launch of the Arena servers. Rare are obviously happy to consider ways to broaden the games appeal and its right that they do. They aren’t a charitable institution, they’ve got a business to run. It’s ironic in a way but Tall Tales appears to have caught the imagination of a lot of people but PvP certainly hasn’t been welcomed much by those doing it.
I dunno, I can just see where things might go.
@dadiodude said in Alliance only servers:
That argument would have held had it not been for the launch of the Arena servers. Rare are obviously happy to consider ways to broaden the games appeal and its right that they do. They aren’t a charitable institution, they’ve got a business to run. It’s ironic in a way but Tall Tales appears to have caught the imagination of a lot of people but PvP certainly hasn’t been welcomed much by those doing it.
I dunno, I can just see where things might go.
yes but arena is a complete separate experience. the OP is suggesting changing the current adventure mode to have PVE only servers, which I'm against.
I would be fine with a completly new mode that is pve only (coop if u will), that is neither arena nor adventure mode. maybe a more linear story mode/scenario mode than open world sandbox. like left 4 dead, Warhammer vermintide, etc.
just a thought.
@xxwarr-blood-xx said in Alliance only servers:
To many toxic people. The areana does not stop players from griefing you after tall tales . You spend hours on 1 mission. Just to be griefed. alliance servers no friendly fire. We need this. Nobody enjoys being griefed. Nobody wants to join alliances. How about private servers? I mean thats not to hard right? Something anything.. stop ignoring the community . Everyone always puts pvp over pve its getting old.
You coming in here on the forums and have only made 2 posts in total tells me that you're one of those guys who haven't realized that the game right now as it is has been catering to the pveers for a few months since the anniversary update. They came out with the arena to have more variety to the game, not to separate the players from eachother. If you actually look at the arena mode and play it, you'll realize after a few rounds or so, the most crews that win dont even pvp as much as they do dig up chests and sell them. The first crew that sells like 5 to 7 chests will almost always be in the lead where as to others that are fighting in it are practicing their pvping skills rather than actually trying to win.
What did you was going to happen after that game mode was invented and implemented to the game? Did you really think that no pvpers were going to go back to adventure mode after a while? Some have probably already completed the wins they need for the legendary weapons and have gotten to lvl 50 in sea dogs, what other reason would they need to stay in the arena mode?
If you're doing tall tales, dont collect stuff that you might be to afraid to lose if you're to afraid of others quote on quote, "griefing" you. If they sink you at the island you need to be on, chances are they need to be there to and dont trust you or they might have already left that island, sail back and try again.
If you're to afraid that you're going to waste hours of your day doing a tall tales, either group up with ppl to do it, that will also be ready for pvp conflict or, just dont do the tall tales. (They're pretty much pointless anyways besides a few lame cosmetics) oh yeah and best thing here is, they aren't gonna go away, the tall tales are there to stay, forever, you have all the time to co.plete them.
Lastly,and this has been said thousands of time already, LOOK AT THE DAMN HORIZONS BEFORE DOING ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES YOU TO BE OFF YOUR SHIP!!!
If you dont like PIRATES being PIRATES in this PIRATE THEMED GAME, then this is probably not the game for you.
Private servers will only make you feel lonely and not fulfilled with any excitement for you, this has been discussed over the forums effing countless times. Pvp is what makes things exciting for the game cu it gives you a shot of both paranoia and adrenaline when you have successfully either stolen loot or defended against it being stolen from you.
{ eats popcorn; wonders where OP is }
Let's be real here, OP isn't here for debate, considering his post history. If all the responses on the last post wasn't enough, what makes this one any different?
@nabberwar Maybe he understands and went on his merry way? We'll have to wait and see if he makes a 3rd thread on the topic...
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