Consequences for player killing

Also, Chess should have consequences for taking the other player's pieces.

@surveyorpete Well in this game, there is no risk for the attacker. 9.9/10 they have nothing on board their vessel. All of the risk falls onto players who have actively participated in the game by doing voyages, exploring the sea floor, hunting monsters. If a enemy ship rolls up, their is no "risk" for the attacking side. So even if the defending crew sink the opposing vessel they get no reward out of it at all. Does that make sense? Why only force the risk onto the people who have just been playing the game and no risk for the people who just want to sail around and fight random ships in the hope of loot with nothing to lose but supplies and the ship if they sink will re-spawn with some supplies already on it so it is not really much of a loss.

The players who go out and actively hunt down the PvP and sink others for their loot should have some sort of bounty system on them so the more players they kill and sink the higher the reward goes up on them, so that way they have to risk something if they want to engage. It is disappointing to be in the middle of voyages and some brig or galleon rolls up on us and we sink them and nothing floats up to the top or any type of reward at all. Like what gives? These people literally have no risk at all.

I don't know about the karma system the OP had brought up to the table but it would need to be something that would be a actual risk for the attacking side. If they did introduce a bounty type of deal then it would invariably come with it's own faction, and every time someone killed you and claimed your bounty, you would get a percentage decrease in over all treasure gain for x amount of time. It would be capped at I would say 20%.

Nice meaty risk there now. Not only would the defenders be able to get a reward if they had none else on board but it would be enough of a risk to have the chance to loose a percentage of treasure if you lost.

I disagree with this 100% it's just part of the game and if i see someone with loot.. I want that loot, I'm a pirate after all! Work smarter not harder!.. solo sloop is the games hardcore version and you need to adopt a completely different play style! I play solo sloop and absolutely have no problem with getting attacked by Brigs or Galleons.. I actually prefer that encounter! I agree it is more difficult but most people who play solo want that challenge by choice!

1. You need to be more aware!
2. Every move needs planning..always plan ahead and stay 1 step ahead of your oppent!
3. Time.. in time you will learn how to out sail the Brig and Galleon! It's very simple to do so!
4. Supplies Supplies Supplies!
5. Fight back! You might surprise yourself!.
6. Be prepared to lose every once in a while.. it WILL happen!
7. It's only a game.. it's only loot.. the loot is infinite in this game.. learn from the experience and grow from it!
8. Have fun!
9. If you want tips and a 1 on 1 teaching lesson on solo sloop for combat, sailing tips, kraken fight then add me or ask me.. I'm more than willing to teach people who are having problems!
10. If it's too difficult then don't play solo!

I would keep it easy light and funny. From killing players you should slowly start to glow or grow a red beard

After just 5 players you already look awesome but also recognizable for others..

This sounds good overall. Especially since Rare has made the game so difficult for single players. They’ve refused to add the PVE option the community has been crying out for. And by doing nothing to Summit (one of the most toxic players) they’re passively endorsing abusive behavior despite the “pirate code” video the devs dropped.

Your idea sounds good, but I don’t think the solo player’s needs are really considered by the dev team.

@faceyourdemon Well this isn't DayZ. There are no servers that you can join and be able to interact with the same people. Every session is different, new server. You even get merged servers which plop you into with different people.

So gathering supplies on the outpost you spawned in at or while you sail around equals treasure that needs to be either dug up, kill hordes of skeletons, or explore all of which take more time then cannoning your self to a island and filling your pockets and then taking the mermaid back. The only supplies worth value are the CCBs and you can hold as many of them in your personal inventory so even if you get sunk you still have all your CCBs. And so it is alright for you to waste the other persons time but not have you own wasted? What ego.

Supplies DO NOT equal treasure. Not in any sense of the word. You do not re-spawn on your ship with a some loot item already board do you, but you do with supplies. People need to stop treating supplies like they are treasure. They are not. They are found literally every where at every island, in sunken ships, floating in the water, scattered on the shore line, crates washed up on the shore line. If you think supplies are treasure then you would log off every time you logged on cause as soon as you open a barrel, you found a plank. Good session.

Having to fight the same ship and sink it 2 or 3 times and getting no treasure out of it or any type or reward for it is madness when they can keep coming back and whittle your supplies down while they can just keep getting free supplies from the ship re-spawn and then oho sailing back and cannoning over and filling their pockets from the islands they pass. Having a bounty system or SOMETHING would be very nice when you keep killing people attacking you and they have nothing. Cause then it is a waste of my supplies and time, and according to you supplies equal treasure so I was some sort of recompense for it.

You might see a decrease in aggression soon, the devs are usually pretty good at adjusting attitudes with events, it's gone up in the past when the Reapers Mark came in and down when Cursed Sails & Hungering Deep were on. A lot of people are honing their skills for Arena, once that comes out chances are most pvp types will do their fighting there.

That being said though, solo Slooping is designed to be the games hard mode, always outnumbered, always out gunned, but you just need planning and patience, don't anchor and don't hang around at islands if you can help it. Cancel and reroll voyages until you get easy ones on smaller islands, or all chickens or whatever. Go up your crows nest a lot, turn off your lights, always be aware of your surroundings and get moving if it looks dangerous, you can always come back later (or if you're after animals go somewhere else).

Lastly it's a Pirate game, I know it's an old tired argument by now, but this is Sea of Thieves, not Sea of Friends, you need to be ready to fight, run, even just scuttle your ship and try again from a new location. Loot is infinite as someone has already said, there's always stuff lying around on beaches or in shipwrecks.

The best advice though honestly is to use LFG or here or facebook/twitter etc to find some crewmates so you can rock a galleon, more people to help carry cages, dig up treasure or fight skellies, more people to watch for enemy ships so you can run or man cannons so you can fight.

@justin-yerbeavr Why is it difficult for solo players? I play solo and have absolutely no problems or issues! In fact, if they make it even easier then the game just becomes a sailing sim.. If anything there should be rewards for sinking ships! Why dig up a chest when you can steal one? Why should people who work smarter and not harder be punished!?

@reedski Nice reply!!
It was me who said that about loot.. also on countless posts I have offered my help and have even offered 1 on 1 in game teachings on how to solo sloop effectively.. I'm literally offering people to come into my ship and show them how it's done! Not 1 person as accepted.. nobody wants the help they just want the game to turn into a sailing sim!

@x5h3ar3rx
Creating a pve option is in no way punishing the toxic players. It solves a problem plaguing the community since getting the day 1 patch. If pve players can play solo then the pvp servers would be full of people wanting to pvp. It’s the perfect solution. If somebody trys the pve option and views it as a “sailing sim” they can switch back. The only reason to argue this is because you want to grief players.

@x5h3ar3rx they've already made the NPC's (Kraken/Meg/Ships) scale with crew size, so it's loads easier on a sloop than a galleon, it's only really pvp that's harder, but since a sloop can outrun anything going directly into the wind even that's not an issue really.

@justin-yerbeavr Have you read any of replies? This had nothing to do with toxic players.. someone who wants your loot is not toxic! Read me replies! I solo sloop only and you are calling me toxic lol! I offer people help on tips in how to solo sloop and even offer people in game teachings! How am I griefing? lol I'm confused

@justin-yerbeavr pvp, pve, they're just aspects of the same game, you can hit PL without ever firing on another ship, you can hit PL without ever doing a voyage. It's a shared world adventure game, you need every kind of interaction otherwise it loses something, the pve side isn't strong enough to carry a £50 game, neither is the pvp, but it's the only thing that I know of out there that combines the 2 in the same world with all the shenanigans that comes with. You want to drink and play music with 5 crews from 5 ships? Fine. You want to murder everyone and steal their stuff? Fine. You want to farm Golden animals all day? Fine. It's all just aspects of the same game, they're all important cos if any of it wasn't there it wouldn't be Sea of Thieves, if you don't like pvp, and you can't figure out how to avoid it, then this isn't the game for you mate.

@reedski 100% agree with you!
It's all to do with skill.. we all have the same tools! I just got called toxic and that I grief players for playing solo and that i think it's ok to steal people's loot.. I really struggle to understand this community! It frightens me for the future of this game.. if they make it more simple then what is the point!

@reedski But what we need to remember here is that not everyone wants to play that way. This isn't going to force everyone to play on a PvE server. It won't split the community up and it will draw people back into the game. If the community tells a sizable portion to either deal with it or leave, we can't be surprised when numbers drop cause those people will go okay. We will. And ask for a refund, stop paying the Game Pass which then hurts you! If games like Rust, ARK, and Conan all have the option to join a PvE server then is really that much to expect? Seeing as they have modeled this game after a open world sandbox game with open world PvP very similar to survival games wouldn't you say? If you go look at those servers not that many people play on them compared to the normal servers. It wouldn't hurt the community only make it grow cause then those people that left came back and they will tell their friends and then more people join the game and then there is options for everyone. Just want to pop on and sail around and maybe kill some skeletons with no fuss or stress? Boom you can do it. Get tired of that and want to join the PvP? Boom Arena for your needs, want to have the tension of knowing anything can strike? Boom, Adventure Mode for you.

All it will do is add variety and flavor into the game not just for the ones who want the PvE servers but for every member of the community.

Or Rare will have to overhaul the game entirely and merge the worlds. Currently the PvP and PvE in this game do not mix. They are entirely different worlds that sit next to each other but don't mix. It needs to be more like a venn diagram, where the two worlds actually meet and flow into each other to make for a more seamless and more enjoyable experience.

@x5h3ar3rx

Lol you latched onto the word “griefer,” and ignored the points made about the pve option solving the over arcing problem. PvP servers would be full of people wanting to pvp. You’d have more people to pvp. How doesn’t that solution help everyone? I’m confused lol

@reedski

I agree with what you said, “If you want to do it, fine.” That’s the perfect moto for the pve movement. If it’s fine for you to do what you want it should go both ways. If I want to solo pve then, as you say, fine. If you think the game is better with both options enabled then fine, select that pvp option. Nobody is taking anything away from you. We’re just asking for options for everyone.

@faceyourdemon You don't turn in supplies for gold though. The whole point of this game is to collect treasure and turn in. Trying to make supplies like they are some sort of reward is moot. It took you 10 seconds to empty that barrel. It took me 10 minutes to do this 4 skull island. The time difference already in your argument does not make sense, if the end is equal to the time you spent playing the game then gathering supplies again would be as soon as you logged in you could log off because you collected supplies. Losing supplies is not the same as losing chests, skulls, and merchant crates and as such I would not consider sinking with nothing on your boat a loss of your time because you lost supplies. It's a loss of your time because you got out skilled and have to sail back to where you were.

This would not be a problem if people had treasure on board their vessels. You can not deny that ships hardly have any treasure on board. You can not deny that are people out there who log on and do nothing but hunt other ships for their loot because that is the way they want to play. Or that their aren't LFG posts looking for crewmates to go PvP and hunt ships and server hop for forts. So to address your end point, if you try and attack a ship and lose and you had nothing on board your ship, you essentially won. You lost nothing that would further you in the game and you got your ship back for free with supplies on board. There was no risk for you in engaging the ship but they had all the risk in the world. Now if the ship had lost, well baby, you just got a meaty reward! 3 Captains and 2 Hateful skulls plop up to the surface for you to reap. And again, you had no risk even though you won. There needs to be a reward for killing players or some risk that is involved if you want to engage other players. This wouldn't need to happen is people did their voyages like they are supposed to and sail around and ambiently bump into one another on their voyages and had a ship battle. But no, we have too many people server hopping looking for fights and easy treasure cause there is no risk to you and your progress to play like this! And then think, those people that annoy you at the fort that you have to keep sinking time and time again? Well every time you sink them they give you a additional reward in addition to the fort loot. Wouldn't that be nice?

@justin-yerbeavr Because that's not the problem.. most people PVP to be rewarded by loot.. if everyone is just PVPn there is no point to PVP

@x5h3ar3rx

I think you are confused. I’m not saying split the pve from the pvp. The “pvp server” would be as the game is now, with the fetch quests, skeleton ships, kraken, Meg and everything.

The community is asking they include a second “pve” option where you can be in the world solo. The game as it is now but just you and no other players.

Literally the only reason to argue against something that benefits everyone is because you want to craft other people’s experiences.

@justin-yerbeavr As long as you can't transfer gold or cosmetics I think I can agree with that!

But you started of talking about how difficult it is a solo slooper and then it all got derailed.. I would gladly help with any tips or tricks to improve anyone's experience as a solo slooper!

@x5h3ar3rx

Well gold and cosmetics are linked to your account. The whole point is not to start over from scratch. And not sure I said solo slooping was difficult. I’m in the 30s or 40s on the trading companies. It’s not hard, but the toxicity can be out of control. Sometime people want to Netflix and sloop without worrying if your ship will be there when you return.

@shinten-rai said in Consequences for player killing:

Or Rare will have to overhaul the game entirely and merge the worlds. Currently the PvP and PvE in this game do not mix. They are entirely different worlds that sit next to each other but don't mix. It needs to be more like a venn diagram, where the two worlds actually meet and flow into each other to make for a more seamless and more enjoyable experience.

I'm not sure I follow this logic, currently you can go seamlessly from digging up treasure, chasing chickens or battling skellies to fighting other players, they can even happen at the same time. It would be a complete overhaul to add purely PvE/PvP servers...

Everyone has the right to play however they want but there's already fleets dedicated to taking over servers for PvE and arena is already coming for PvP. This games USP is the mix of the two, separating either weakens both.

@x5h3ar3rx But why does it matter though if the gold and cosmetics can still be earned in the PvE server? They are just cosmetics. It's not like people come to these servers and get obscenely over powered and come back to the main game and crush everyone and you can only get this from that specific server. I think you are tripping up in your own head, personally and can't disassociate that having a PvE server does not mean you, or your friends. Or the people in the server you play with currently are now forced into being PvE and can't PvP.

It's just silly equating cosmetics as if they stole something personal from you and the rest of the community because they earned them in a PvE server instead of the PvPvE server.

@eratikstorm

Nobody is advocating separating the pve/quests from pvp. Maybe saying “pvp server” is the issue here. Call it whatever. The game as it is now, but just an additional option if you want to be in the game world alone. You literally lose nothing.