Pvp vs pve (private servers)

@bloodybil said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

Private servers without progression will be a great compromise that will be the best middle-ground to everybody. A way for lazybeards to enjoy the story and the game without having to experience their crippling fear of other players, while giving them an incentive and a carrot on a stick to lure them into going out a tiny bit of their comfort zone to earn rewards, and having them interact with the regular player pool and be part of the ecosystem that the game is based on.

Are you really afraid there won't be incentive enough for new players to join your server, or are you more concerned you'll be matched more with aggressive PvPers and your game won't be as easy anymore?

@tubiansayne said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

Little timmy the sociopath and his team of animal torturers

Their debut album is underrated.

@bloodybil said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@dieseld145 said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@bloodybil do you think that if they did private servers there would still be a way of having to complete tasks to unlock cosmetics since that's all there is or would they all be available from the get go?

Pretty sure both currencies and commendations would and should be unavailable. Again, seems like a reasonable compromise to give an option to paly the game without worry, at the risk of progression. Think of it as a practice mode!

I'm really curious about this. Why do you care if someone you don't know plays a game and enjoys themselves? If someone played on a private server/realm and earned all the gold and flags, that literally has zero effect on you. Why does that bother you so much? Again, the whole point of asking for PvE is they don't want to play with other people for whatever reason. Not a "practice" session, they don't want to play with people they don't know.

@tubiansayne said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

I love the feedback you guys but I'm struggling with understanding the progression part...

If rare released private servers and said "pay $50 a month to play by yourself or with friends" you paid and found out you get no rep, gold or commendations what is the point? The game is literally about colle ting gold, rep and commendations.

The sheer fact that you are paying extra money to run your own server should unlock all the same abilities as anyone else.

I feel like saying "fine, have your own server but your not allowed to do anything" is no different then "go play another game" lol

I'm baffled by this as well.

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@bloodybil said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@dieseld145 said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@bloodybil do you think that if they did private servers there would still be a way of having to complete tasks to unlock cosmetics since that's all there is or would they all be available from the get go?

Pretty sure both currencies and commendations would and should be unavailable. Again, seems like a reasonable compromise to give an option to paly the game without worry, at the risk of progression. Think of it as a practice mode!

I'm really curious about this. Why do you care if someone you don't know plays a game and enjoys themselves? If someone played on a private server/realm and earned all the gold and flags, that literally has zero effect on you. Why does that bother you so much? Again, the whole point of asking for PvE is they don't want to play with other people for whatever reason. Not a "practice" session, they don't want to play with people they don't know.

While it's a little bit about this, players do care about how they earned cosmetics. It's meaningful. The real issue is that Rare most likely doesn't want to incentivize players to play in PvE servers entirely. Sea of Thieves is a PvPvE game, that is how it is designed. If all the PvE players go into their own corner and all the PvP players go into theirs, it's no longer a PvPvE game. The entire concept of SoT could be radically changed.

@dieseld145 said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

I feel like there will always be players who will enjoy both sides of it though. there are days where I will seek out pvp encounters, but other days where I would like to journey/quest without having to worry about others

Exactly! That's why Sea of Thieves is a PvPvE game.

It's not a PvP game.
It's not a PvE game.
It's not an RPG
It's not an FPS

It's a FP PvPvE RPG CYOA Sandbox.

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@bloodybil said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@dieseld145 said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@bloodybil do you think that if they did private servers there would still be a way of having to complete tasks to unlock cosmetics since that's all there is or would they all be available from the get go?

Pretty sure both currencies and commendations would and should be unavailable. Again, seems like a reasonable compromise to give an option to paly the game without worry, at the risk of progression. Think of it as a practice mode!

I'm really curious about this. Why do you care if someone you don't know plays a game and enjoys themselves? If someone played on a private server/realm and earned all the gold and flags, that literally has zero effect on you. Why does that bother you so much? Again, the whole point of asking for PvE is they don't want to play with other people for whatever reason. Not a "practice" session, they don't want to play with people they don't know.

While it's a little bit about this, players do care about how they earned cosmetics. It's meaningful. The real issue is that Rare most likely doesn't want to incentivize players to play in PvE servers entirely. Sea of Thieves is a PvPvE game, that is how it is designed. If all the PvE players go into their own corner and all the PvP players go into theirs, it's no longer a PvPvE game. The entire concept of SoT could be radically changed.

Ok, I get that, you worked and earned your cosmetics... that makes sense. But why do you care how other people earn their cosmetics? It literally has zero affect on you.

Also, yes, we know it was "designed" as a PvPvE game (for the 5 millionth time). That's why I brought up Elite Dangerous earlier. Exactly the same thing, and you can play it by yourself. The game will succeed or fail based on how good a game it is, not if they add a "private" mode or not. SoT is a GREAT game and it will do just fine if they add PvE.

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

...and it will do just fine if they add PvE.

That's speculation.

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):
and it will do just fine if they add PvE.

That's speculation.

Saying you "know" what the devs are going to do is speculation. Comparing SoT to other "shared worlds" games that have private modes that have succeeded and inferring that adding a private mode won't sink the game is informed speculation, thank you very much.

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):
and it will do just fine if they add PvE.

That's speculation.

Saying you "know" what the devs are going to do is speculation. Comparing SoT to other "shared worlds" games that have private modes that have succeeded and inferring that adding a private mode won't sink the game is informed speculation, thank you very much.

lol, we've been posting what the devs have posted. I'd say that's "informed speculation" as well, thank ya very much.

@bloodybil said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@tubiansayne said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

I love the feedback you guys but I'm struggling with understanding the progression part...

If rare released private servers and said "pay $50 a month to play by yourself or with friends" you paid and found out you get no rep, gold or commendations what is the point? The game is literally about colle ting gold, rep and commendations.

The sheer fact that you are paying extra money to run your own server should unlock all the same abilities as anyone else.

I feel like saying "fine, have your own server but your not allowed to do anything" is no different then "go play another game" lol

There has never been any talk whatsoever of paying any cost to partake in a private server though.

You get to play for free, at your rythm, enjoy the scenery, at the cost of no progression to go with the absence of risk. Seems quite simple really.

There has never been any talk that specifically says it is for "enjoying the scenery" either. You literally don't know what it will be. That is, unless you are the lead dev and you get to decide the roadmap. Are you the lead dev?

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):
and it will do just fine if they add PvE.

That's speculation.

Saying you "know" what the devs are going to do is speculation. Comparing SoT to other "shared worlds" games that have private modes that have succeeded and inferring that adding a private mode won't sink the game is informed speculation, thank you very much.

lol, we've been posting what the devs have posted. I'd say that's "informed speculation" as well, thank ya very much.

You take what devs have said they want and construed that as what will definitely happen.

All I did was point out that similar shared world games added private games modes and done just fine.

Two VERY different things.

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):
and it will do just fine if they add PvE.

That's speculation.

Saying you "know" what the devs are going to do is speculation. Comparing SoT to other "shared worlds" games that have private modes that have succeeded and inferring that adding a private mode won't sink the game is informed speculation, thank you very much.

lol, we've been posting what the devs have posted. I'd say that's "informed speculation" as well, thank ya very much.

You take what devs have said they want and construed that as what will definitely happen.

All I did was point out that similar shared world games added private games modes and done just fine.

Two VERY different things.

you literally said SoT would be fine, because other games like it are fine, which is speculation.

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):
and it will do just fine if they add PvE.

That's speculation.

Saying you "know" what the devs are going to do is speculation. Comparing SoT to other "shared worlds" games that have private modes that have succeeded and inferring that adding a private mode won't sink the game is informed speculation, thank you very much.

lol, we've been posting what the devs have posted. I'd say that's "informed speculation" as well, thank ya very much.

You take what devs have said they want and construed that as what will definitely happen.

All I did was point out that similar shared world games added private games modes and done just fine.

Two VERY different things.

you literally said SoT would be fine, because other games like it are fine, which is speculation.

Yeah, informed speculation. Adding private servers doesn't kill games. FO76 died long before they added private servers because it was a bad game. PUBG added private servers and did fine. My statement is based on all the other games that are similar and have public and private multiplayer, and there is zero correlation between adding private multiplayer to a game and "killing" said game. This was in response to the whole idea that adding private multiplayer will "split the community and ruin the game for everyone".

You point out that some devs have said they don't want PvE. Ok, you're right about that, some devs don't want PvE. But if you turn around and then say "so it will never happen" that's speculation. You don't know. Devs don't always decide how a game changes over time. They also said that these "private" servers are coming "mid term" probably meaning its quite a bit before they will even start to plan what they will look like. Making any statements about what these server will/won't be now is pure speculation.

@rowge-gaming lol I didn't quote "some devs". I quoted the design director and the executive director of Sea of Thieves.

If you can't see the fallacy in your argument, I can't help ya at this point.

@xx-mirth-xx said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):

@rowge-gaming lol I didn't quote "some devs". I quoted the design director and the executive director of Sea of Thieves.

If you can't see the fallacy in your argument, I can't help ya at this point.

OK, but I've seen your posts about "quotes" and then when I ask you for the link, you give me something where the person doesn't say what you "quoted". I don't really care either way if they add private servers or not, but looking at everything we know so far objectively, there is no way to tell at this point if the private servers will be available to everyone, or if there will be progression.