Just make PVE servers already...

  • @guybrushcrpwood said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @dragonsire2016 But other MMO's operate completely different mechanics ... I.e. they don't require giant lumbering ships that collide with all aspects of the environment.

    What if a Galleon blocks your path? Pushes you towards a rock? Point being, the mechanics of this are a tad more complicated, when you factor in all the non-violent ways one player can ruin another players day.

    Then they implement a stuck command that applies to boats. Report them. As I said you will still get jerks. You can't always program 100% against jerks, but you lay down rules. And if broken players punished.

  • @binaryplayerone said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @xrekkoffx The game is designed from the ground up for PvP. So that will from what Rare have said several times not happen.

    If you cant deal with the PvP aspect then I suggest to just move on to something else.

    No it's not; it was designed with quests in mind; it's only PvP because the player base deemed it so.

  • And as if more proof to what im saying... Just tried to another Skelly fort for the bi-weekly event and even though I was shouting that I was there for event and did not want the loot, mindless PVP'ers just killed everyone in sight...

    MAKE PVE SERVERS.

    Edit: Even offered them all my ships supplies to prove what I was saying... Mindless PVP'ers just kill for killings sake...

  • @xrekkoffx said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    And as if more proof to what im saying... Just tried to another Skelly fort for the bi-weekly event and even though I was shouting that I was there for event and did not want the loot, mindless PVP'ers just killed everyone in sight...

    MAKE PVE SERVERS.

    Edit: Even offered them all my ships supplies to prove what I was saying... Mindless PVP'ers just kill for killings sake...

    I just went from having all the forts loot to giving a third away to some [Mod edited] who helped for two minutes to have them turn around and rob me of the rest of it from my crew because boarding is the best and NO FUN in repairing the ship amirite? However, tracking them down again, fighting them and defeating them to regain some sense of reputation. Made it all a little better in the end. PvP can be a pain sometimes, but we don't need PvE servers. It's actually tragic that half the people say nobody wants to fight, the other half say everyone wants to fight. It's bloody mad.

  • I'm really tired of mindless PVE'ers trying to run away from me with their loot. I'm really tired of mindless PVE'ers pulling up to something I'm doing thinking I'm going to entertain their PVE session because they said they're friendly and not just sink them because I can. Why do they whine and cry out when I engage them on my PVP adventure? I just want to play the game. It would seem that they are just more mindless PVE'ers. I guess I just have to deal with it in this game because that's the game I willingly bought into. /s

  • @xrekkoffx I wasn't going to reply to this post till the last couple of days.
    It seems more and more players are attacking just to harass other players because we have now been chased after leaving port three or more times in different servers by different players, have turned in our loot when we see another ship in the distance but even when they come charging in guns blazing while we just sit on the dock and watch until they notice we are there then attack like savages. Yep, we just sat there and now we are getting so tired of just being attacked I'm in for the pve servers.

  • @xrekkoffx said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    With Rares big push towards working together and not fighting, just make PVE servers already.

    Make them separate from the pvp servers, start from level zero and progress from one doesnt transfer to the other. I would pay for this service in a heart beat.

    The games fun and events work until random PVP held back group rolls up and shoots for no reason other then to troll. Just let us have PVE servers. I would rent my own for friends.

    The amount of negativity this post got just makes me happy that this game is sinking fast.

    Once I cared about this game and wanted to play it peacefully but the developers clearly decided that friendly players should [Mod edited] seeing this game disappear. The forums are so dead already 😊

    They themselves killed their game, and I'll be there to say I told you so.

  • @myrm said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @program-024 said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @caisterkaos Unless you know what the code looks like for the game, what you are saying about not rewriting the game is pure conjecture.

    And therefore, by the same argument, assuming you too have not seen the code, how can you say it would take a whole re-write?

    It's not about code. It's about game design. The game is designed with PvP being a ground pillar. Take that away and everything falls apart.

    You basically just have to play the game for a few hours to see that this is the case.

  • @personalc0ffee

    Agree but as I have stated many times before, the PvP balancing could be a lot better. I think it would be better for all players longer term if it was addressed AND it would sort this repeating debate out.

    I don't want to see the product fail though its value is rapdly dwindling and preowned discs getting cheaper all the time. I do think, in hindsight, it was aimed at the Gamepass market hence the couldn't care less 9GB dl needed on day 1 and again + +. If it survives then I don't think there would be a SoT II on disc. I also don't think if it stays as it is it will be a big earner on Gamepass but an also ran Gold freebe before long.

  • @gigglesnarf said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    It's actually incredibly invalid. Your "criticism" makes no sense from a game development standpoint.

    I agree.
    Complaining about PvP in a PvP-Game is like walking into a car dealership, asking to buy milk and groceries and then complaining that they didn't sell you any.

  • @myrm Of course the logic goes both ways. Everything said on the forums is speculation whether something is easy or difficult to implement, or whether system X or Y is being used. If you looked at the rest of that particular post, you would see why I hold the opinion that extensive re-work would have to be done to implement PvE servers as well as my other comments in the thread. As with any argument, I took my opinion and applied logic to justify that opinion. Just like everyone else in the thread.

    The base game may not have been developed with a PvE mode in mind. Systems implemented to track damage may need more work than flipping some boolean switch somewhere. As such, added systems that rely on the base system will have to be modified as well. And of course the more complex your systems and their relationships to other systems are the more difficult it is to implement changes that are contrary to the core design of the game.

    Player damage may not be difficult to switch since the only thing that doesn't track damage ownership are the gunpowder barrels. The ship damage system will need the most work however. As of right now, it doesn't appear to care who or what caused the damage. As I said earlier, ship damage appears to be in the realm of everything is environmental damage whether it is cannonballs, ship models, the land, or gunpowder barrels. This is evidenced in that you can sink your own ship with the above methods.

    But the main point I would like to make is that just because something seems simple to implement, it may not actually be the case. Hence Rare not implementing PvE servers yet if it is feasible to do so. Doing things the "quick and dirty" way isn't always the best solution.

  • Unfortunately, I don't think Rare will ever realize the game's full potential for greatness if they cater to a niche of players. I actually walked away from the game a few months ago (shortly after launch) for many reasons and to be honest, with all the games out there, PvE or PvP, SoT just doesn't stack up. I came back to the forum to see if there were any significant changes, but there aren't. Well, the catered niche of players will stay true and happy, but the potential is lost. I'll keep checking on the game once in a while to see if it's worth coming back. Right now, no.

  • @buckshot-matt said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    Unfortunately, I don't think Rare will ever realize the game's full potential for greatness if they cater to a niche of players. I actually walked away from the game a few months ago (shortly after launch) for many reasons and to be honest, with all the games out there, PvE or PvP, SoT just doesn't stack up. I came back to the forum to see if there were any significant changes, but there aren't. Well, the catered niche of players will stay true and happy, but the potential is lost. I'll keep checking on the game once in a while to see if it's worth coming back. Right now, no.

    Suddenly, keyboard decides to do bold italics? lol....ok

  • @personalc0ffee said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @caisterkaos said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @vexed-anemone said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    I would not play on a PVE server but I completely understand why people might.

    Makes complete sense and I'm not sure why people are so against it.

    It makes no sense to me why people are against it, it's either because they don't understand that some people enjoy doing the voyages & don't want / like PVP, they want to keep the non pvpers in the game as easy targets or they want everyone to follow Rare's ideals to the letter.

    In my opinion More choice = More players
    If people want PVE servers, let them have them.
    If people want Xbox only servers, let them have them.
    Some people will use them some won't, but you won't lose those players that are requesting them & it may bring in more players who wouldn't usually have purchased it.

    What that asks for is destroying the whole experience SoT is trying to create and is designed around. It stomps on the core founding principles for the game;

    Who's experience would it ruin? The PVP players who keep insisting a PVE game with PVP elements is PVP? Founding principles...you mean the part where they brag about people telling stories and making friends? How the majority of content is PVE? How the majority of content announced involves teaming up, or PVE content?

    No safezones

    Why not griefers can't get jollies off? Wouldn't want any friendly areas in the game, for activities outside of PVP?

    No pvp/pve only modes and toggles

    A PVP server with like minded people would somehow be boring? Oh right because PVP isn't what people want it, it's forcing it on others that is the fun part.

    No advantages

    This game isn't and never will be balanced. Anything that involves more than 1 player vs another, never is. PC/Xbox not withstanding.

  • @buckshot-matt It's a PvPvE open world Pirate game.

    What did you expect when you bought this game and what turned you off from this?

    I honestly don't really get why people keep complaining about there being PvP in a game where the main selling point is going into an open world populated with other players and digging around for booty.

    (just watch this E3 trailer and say you expected a wholly PVE game please tell me you did after watching this I dare you)

    Seen it? Ok good.

    Now did people buy this game because of pirates and thought this was a single player adventure game? yeah probably, did they buy the wrong game? No I don't think so. I think they need to realise and embrace the PvP element.

    The game makes it easy to have an adventure with many elements.
    If you die you'll just respawn on your ship with no penalty except for a little time lost.
    If your ship gets sunk you'll get a new one, again without penalty.
    If you lose loot it's not a huge loss since everything you gain is aesteticly and you can probably buy something nice for yourself with minimal effort.

    Without the constant threat of PvP this game turns into a boring walking and sailing sim.
    With constant and only PvP this game turns into a boring slugfest.
    We need both types of players so be happy that we're angry at you all for making these PVE server topics, we need you, not as cattle but because of this balance. And you need pirates that try to enrich your tale of booty with a menaching threat.

  • @hynieth I've been through all this and I'm over it already. I walked away for several reasons. It doesn't stack up to other games. Love it all you want, it's not the game I expected when I bought the game. Yeah, I invested my money into this game. My bad? Sure. I guess I should have waited 6 mons into launch first. Yeah, my bad for buying into a game that looked promising (as in the promo vid), and then getting this. Still, I walked away from it. Reasons I give will be shot down because you love it and see no other way. Good for you. Enjoy.

  • @personalc0ffee
    No Advantages!!
    Is that some kind of joke???

  • @personalc0ffee
    And i have played many more!
    The crossplay in this game is far from balanced, so the 'No Advantages' is a complete lie!
    I can play on my pc & run rings around console or controller players, it's a total joke! So simply playing on a pc with a keyboard & mouse is a huge advantage.

  • How ever they never should do this, i vote for battle arena's with ur crew. spawn in 9/10 galleons and let them fight till ones lives. I think people will be more happy, the pvp peepz have there pvp and then [Mod edited] have the more "relax" server untill one off us gets bored in battle royal and come kill ur [Mod edited] in ur "relax" server that is.

  • @caisterkaos said in Just make PVE servers already...:

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    I can play on my pc & run rings around console or controller players, it's a total joke! So simply playing on a pc with a keyboard & mouse is a huge advantage.

    I call BS on this. The keyboard and mouse argument is one that XBoxers such as me like to use to cover up the fact that we got beaten fair and square. :-P

  • @personalc0ffee said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @caisterkaos Nope, no joke. Rare's created the game to have a level playing field. Me being Legend stauts and playing over 500 hours doesn't give me any advantage over those that just start, except my own skill level.

    Or how many players you have on your crew, type of boat, controller, connection, pc or xbox. Nope all in complete balance lol

  • @sloompie said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    How ever they never should do this, i vote for battle arena's with ur crew. spawn in 9/10 galleons and let them fight till ones lives. I think people will be more happy, the pvp peepz have there pvp and then [Mod edited] have the more "relax" server untill one off us gets bored in battle royal and come kill ur [Mod edited] in ur "relax" server that is.

    You have it backwards mate. The [Mod edited] will have their PvP server and they won't have to cry all dang day about what this game is all about (l**o-like you know), and then the chilled dudes can poke around on their server at their leisure and not have to listen to the PvP [Mod edited]. PvPers are the biggest [Mod edited] I've seen.

    And I just want to add, I didn't quit playing this game months ago because of PvP, it was because of the boredom and then the direction the game was heading. PvP is fun in the right kind of game*. And so many other games do it better.

  • @personalc0ffee said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    @caisterkaos Nope, no joke. Rare's created the game to have a level playing field. Me being Legend stauts and playing over 500 hours doesn't give me any advantage over those that just start, except my own skill level.

    I can never acquire any items that make me better nor will I be given any for playing long lengths of time.

    There are not purchasable upgrades that add stats or make you better. You can only get better through your own skill.

    Every loss is a teaching moment.

    Except that you started the game before there were a lot of skilled PvP SoT players.

    I think the request for PVE only is wrong too, but the game is not balancing players out. If you started later than day one you are in for a rough ride. If you aren't good at PvP you are in for a very long rough ride or you pull out and feel like you were ripped off.

    The game needs crew skills balancing.

  • @buckshot-matt So thats why all the post u see on the forum is about mehh i am getting killed they griefing me. Uhm we are friendly we dont shoot (but still play a game based on pvp). Dont talk c**p my friend, we just read all ur sad forum post 50% off those post is about people who dont wanna pvp in a pvp skilled based game. Dont buy it or dont create more mess on this forum.

  • The Sea is for dirty, rotten, scallywag PIRATES! Ye booty is ALWAYS at risk among thieves!

  • @pink-geek-chic said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    If it still doesn't work for you, I understand. But, this game has been billed as a pvp inclusive game from its conception.

    I'm glad someone other than me listened to the press conferences other than me about them saying this is a PvP game long before the game was released.

  • if sea of thieves ever adds pvp it will do like fortnite and divide the game modes, the will be "PvP - Sea of Thieves" and "PvE - Sea of Rainbows, Unicorns, Kittens, and Puppies"

  • I would like for all you pvp people to quit whining about people wanting a pve server I myself would like to see pve servers as well it won't ruin the game for us that want pve it would however ruin it for alot of pvp ers since they would have to fight others and then wouldn't be able to troll on people that tell them in game chat that they are friendly

  • @scruffytrucker said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    I would like for all you pvp people to quit whining about people wanting a pve server I myself would like to see pve servers as well it won't ruin the game for us that want pve it would however ruin it for alot of pvp ers since they would have to fight others and then wouldn't be able to troll on people that tell them in game chat that they are friendly

    Yup, they would have to fight people that also can fight. The salt would be so real. xD I welcome PVE and more friendly crews. Give us the server to be friendly on!

  • Close This thread.

    Tips: Avoid Pvp
    get better pvp crewmates.
    Or quit and move on.

  • @buckshot-matt You quit playing months ago but are still active on it's forum? You can be honest and say you're still playing Sea of Thieves m8...

  • @l-mrmoonlight-l said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    Close This thread.

    Tips: Avoid Pvp
    get better pvp crewmates.
    Or quit and move on.

    Yes, because why discuss valid criticism from a large portion of the community, much easier to silence them. Face it, a very large portion of this community wants PVE servers. Thats a fact.

  • @xrekkoffx said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    Yes, because why discuss valid criticism from a large portion of the community, much easier to silence them. Face it, a very large portion of this community wants PVE servers. Thats a fact.

    My usual reply to this claim:
    Care to back "very large portion" up with numbers?
    I'll get you started with some math:
    Assuming a playerbase (very much in favour of your argument) of 100,000 players.
    Now let's see about the portion of players wanting PvE servers.
    I'll even add the faction that wants outposts to be safe places.
    Let's multiply that number to a ridiculous amount of say.. 1000.
    You're talking about 1% of the playerbase.
    If we take Rare's numbers of more than 1,000,000 players, your "large portion" becomes 0.1%

    So please search through the forums and count the number of unique players wanting PvE.
    Don't bring up Reddit or alike because those numbers are not reliable since I can easily create 100s of accounts automatically.

    And don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you that there are players complaining about the PvP aspect of the game.
    I just challenge your claim of a "very large portion" of the playerbase.

  • @xrekkoffx said in Just make PVE servers already...:

    With Rares big push towards working together and not fighting, just make PVE servers already.

    Make them separate from the pvp servers, start from level zero and progress from one doesnt transfer to the other. I would pay for this service in a heart beat.

    The games fun and events work until random PVP held back group rolls up and shoots for no reason other then to troll. Just let us have PVE servers. I would rent my own for friends.

    Part of the fun with Sea of Thieves is seeing sales on the horizon and thinking "is it a friendly or unfriendly pirate?"

    Some of the best times I've had were literally fighting a Galleon in a Sloop and another Sloop comes to help, and then finally a third (3 Sloops 1 Galleon) if you take that potential away I think the game will lose out.

  • @xrekkoffx I agree, they need a PVE server for many reasons. And "get gud" is heard too much here, when they keep pushing people to work together, just to meet trolls. I have met too many. I would also pay for this service. Heftily.

    Don't split the game, every instance is controlled to allow people to attack each other or not, just give us the option to select "no". It needs PVE, badly. But don't get rid of PVP for the people who choose to want that type of gameplay.

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