PVP is basically mandatory

@krahaborr said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@d4ng3rdol4n Agree with you...This game needs some PvE and PvP rebalancing, reward changes and something like that to move the interest away from PvP towards alliance. Unfortunately, people tend to be violent and this is manifested in games, since here they are not punished for this, but even rewarded. It all looks like insects in one box that seek to destroy each other ... sometimes even for no reason. I was attacked at the very beginning of the game without even lifting the anchor and got some toxic phrases like "noob", it doesn't look very friendly while community day

This community isn't full of people that tend to be violent

This community is about as tame as it gets for a shared community. Passive aggressive, condescending, and salty is mostly as far as it goes with a few exceptions.

People that say most people are violent and wanna destroy each other in a community like SoT fortunately don't have much to compare it to.

@d4ng3rdol4n said in PVP is basically mandatory:

I get that too many people in the world would rather just screw every one else over, instead of working together. But even on community day(s) I feel no love or friendship from other players. The community in this game is so one sided, I don't even see a point in try to act like there's even half the amount of Athena's fortune type players.(those who'd rather be helpful and share in an adventure with others) compare to reapers who are generally overly sweaty and aggressive players who just get bored of the game too easily, and have to make their own entertainment. The worst part about it is, is that Rare just ignores the fact that they pander way harder to pvp play than pve, just because the larger player base who have infected the game want it that way. If they actually made pvp less rewarding based on reputation and loot to gain, I bet people would be a lot more willing to be friendly. Or make pve more rewarding with teamwork or something, but the fact is that the game gives you hardly any insensitive to help others so no one is going to. Why does rare even pretend that this game doesn't pander to pvp players, I'll never know.

It’s rarely I get into pvp buddy.

@captain-coel said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@krahaborr said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@d4ng3rdol4n Agree with you...This game needs some PvE and PvP rebalancing, reward changes and something like that to move the interest away from PvP towards alliance. Unfortunately, people tend to be violent and this is manifested in games, since here they are not punished for this, but even rewarded. It all looks like insects in one box that seek to destroy each other ... sometimes even for no reason. I was attacked at the very beginning of the game without even lifting the anchor and got some toxic phrases like "noob", it doesn't look very friendly while community day

Killing other players and taking their stuff isnt a bad thing. Its literally the way the game was designed. There is nothing to punish there.

The game was designed to balance activities, and when some murderhobos are cruising around the map interrupting content that's designed to take a half hour to complete, no other playstyles can function.

That's been the case this season, too frequent PVP because the devs decided it's a smart idea to encourage a playstyle that

Inb4 "but it's a pirate game, they're SUPPOSED to make it so you can't take 10 steps onto an island without Leroy Jenkins charging up over the horizon"

@mrestiercol said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@wolfmanbush

It is more agressive than other environments. Even new players tend to be agressive sometimes,I've had to sunk two kids on a sloop with 6 days played, because they decided to attack me after two warnings. I Hope they learned the lesson

But eh, they deserved me a lot of C vitamine and theirs blessings to my mother and sister.

Is not the worst community, DBD or Lol are far far away in terms of toxicity.... But is turning a bit annoying sometimes.

4-5 hours of HG is like 20 insults per hour

Most players, including new players aren't even hostile

that's why servers are only heavy on combat with all or most of the ships once in a while.

I don't take issue with people that hold the opinion that there is unpleasantness out there in plenty of these encounters, I've seen enough of it to know it's never too far away but saying people tend to be violent, want to destroy, tend to be more aggressive, that's painting people as something they haven't shown themselves to be.

Not liking someone, not liking how someone acts in an environment like SoT, these don't justify trying to mark a community or trying to label people as some form of dangerous, a threat.

@wolfmanbush said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@mrestiercol said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@wolfmanbush

It is more agressive than other environments. Even new players tend to be agressive sometimes,I've had to sunk two kids on a sloop with 6 days played, because they decided to attack me after two warnings. I Hope they learned the lesson

But eh, they deserved me a lot of C vitamine and theirs blessings to my mother and sister.

Is not the worst community, DBD or Lol are far far away in terms of toxicity.... But is turning a bit annoying sometimes.

4-5 hours of HG is like 20 insults per hour

Most players, including new players aren't even hostile

that's why servers are only heavy on combat with all or most of the ships once in a while.

I don't take issue with people that hold the opinion that there is unpleasantness out there in plenty of these encounters, I've seen enough of it to know it's never too far away but saying people tend to be violent, want to destroy, tend to be more aggressive, that's painting people as something they haven't shown themselves to be.

Not liking someone, not liking how someone acts in an environment like SoT, these don't justify trying to mark a community or trying to label people as some form of dangerous, a threat.

With 6 crew servers, every session now has at least one crew that plays KoS.
It's that hostile.

@scheneighnay said in PVP is basically mandatory:

With 6 crew servers, every session now has at least one crew that plays KoS.
It's that hostile.

Between higher varied interest right now, server hopping, and hg 6 ships hasn't had the environmental negative impact yet.

6 ships becomes an issue with low activity, low participation, then it just amplifies already existing issues on top of causes more performance issues

when interests are more varied and participation is more sustainable like it currently is then there are many servers with healthy ecosystems

Higher organic participation and varied interest creates plenty of servers where people have a chance to move loot around, form organic alliances, etc. Which is what is happening currently.

If that drops off like it typically drops off then 6 ships becomes far more relevant in topics of negative impact.

If the effects of HG and the effects of lowering pve grind time work well together then it creates opportunity for sustainable healthy server ecosystems with 6 ships

@tybald said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@scheneighnay said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@captain-coel said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@krahaborr said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@d4ng3rdol4n Agree with you...This game needs some PvE and PvP rebalancing, reward changes and something like that to move the interest away from PvP towards alliance. Unfortunately, people tend to be violent and this is manifested in games, since here they are not punished for this, but even rewarded. It all looks like insects in one box that seek to destroy each other ... sometimes even for no reason. I was attacked at the very beginning of the game without even lifting the anchor and got some toxic phrases like "noob", it doesn't look very friendly while community day

Killing other players and taking their stuff isnt a bad thing. Its literally the way the game was designed. There is nothing to punish there.

The game was designed to balance activities, and when some murderhobos are cruising around the map interrupting content that's designed to take a half hour to complete, no other playstyles can function.

That's been the case this season, too frequent PVP because the devs decided it's a smart idea to encourage a playstyle that

Inb4 "but it's a pirate game, they're SUPPOSED to make it so you can't take 10 steps onto an island without Leroy Jenkins charging up over the horizon"

Unfortunately, your hyperbole and exaggeration tends to drag your argument down, and keep people from taking you seriously.

You are very capable of doing other activities within the game other than PVP. I've been in many crews, even with the last update, that it has been possible. Situational awareness is a key part of it though. You have to watch the horizons, and be prepared to act. It's part of the nature of the game.

On the other hand, I will say that the game has created a situation where trusting another ship is near impossible, and I think things that encourage cooperation and trust would be worthwhile.

It's not hyperbole, it's the current state of the game.
Every session I've played this season have had my activities interrupted by hyperaggressive ships.

I'm prepared to act, but that doesn't do any good because they still suck up all of my time and prevent me from progressing whatever else I was doing.

@scheneighnay said in PVP is basically mandatory:

It's not hyperbole, it's the current state of the game.
Every session I've played this season have had my activities interrupted by hyperaggressive ships.

I'm prepared to act, but that doesn't do any good because they still suck up all of my time and prevent me from progressing whatever else I was doing.

At the activity level that is currently occurring, most regions are going to probably have more people looking to alliance than looking to attack random ships.

Hoppers are busy with high value targets
Server investing pvp leans more into stealth plays right now

There are ships that want to fight and sink any ship but at the current activity level it's not going to be every or even most servers typically.

I only fight fighters and I invest in servers for long amounts of time and people go out of their way to attack me in random scenarios only sometimes, most of my combat is in scenarios of either higher appeal activities or me spending time in higher traffic areas.

Also I use good boy cosmetics which creates more attacks as to many it's a sign of wanting to/being open to fighting so I'll be attacked randomly more by the kill on sight type of ships and it's still not an every or most server situation.

@d4ng3rdol4n Correct, PvP is mandatory. Even avoiding PvP is technically PvP, because you’re going against the interest of another player by force. PvP is basically just force and violence to get what you want, and the funny thing is, it actually works. Don’t fault the guys on community day trying to steal and murder - that is just how they show their love and appreciation for what you do. It may be community day, but it’s a community day for thieves who “have a love for other peoples’ money.” So now I’ve said this, it’s your call. Will you try and master PvP and reign as a warlord? Will you dabble in PvP just enough to have the expertise to defend yourself? Or will you avoid PvP like the plague and only engage when you’ve been truly cornered? The choice is yours and there’s nothing wrong with choosing any option I listed, or even ones I haven’t. I wish you luck on the seas, friend.

@scheneighnay Yes, Sea of Thieves is fine like that. To even qualify to exist without having Leroy Jenkins on your tail the moment you wake up in tavern, you need to be a certain level of PvP skill level. Yep, existence is a crime and you need to justify it with violence. Even if you lose… fight back!

@captain-coel When you've been given a mode that can guaranteed you a fighter you've instead actively decided you may want to ruin someone else's night for your own pleasure and getting your fix of "traditional combat". This is sadistic behavior. Especially if that player starts running for the next hour and a half. I can't believe we've decided that liberty = license. What ever happened to standards 😔

@n0soup4u said in PVP is basically mandatory:

When you've been given a mode that can guaranteed you a fighter you've instead actively decided you may want to ruin someone else's night for your own pleasure and getting your fix of "traditional combat". This is sadistic behavior. Especially if that player starts running for the next hour and a half. I can't believe we've decided that liberty = license. What ever happened to standards 😔

At most it can be said that it's manipulatively marketed (as all products are) to over present the positive and skip over the negative.

As it exists there is an abrupt and abrasive introduction to pvp for a new player.

The game is what it is, it's a part of the design it's a part of the product and the experience. That's what they created and that's what they offer.

A part of the issue is that many in this game feel they are owed something they aren't. That goes from new players up to the most experienced players in the game, from pve to pvp.

Rather than people saying "ok this isn't for me" and playing one of the many other fun games in existence or "I don't like this part so I am going to adapt my play to avoid it" they stick around and throw blame around. Regularly posting negative things about a product or a community that wasn't designed around what the person wants.

It's understandable why people don't enjoy parts of this game but that's a part of the experience and design.

@wolfmanbush People spend money for this

@n0soup4u said in PVP is basically mandatory:

@wolfmanbush People spend money for this

I've long communicated that I think people should be introduced to pvp in the game before the emporium is opened for them as people are spending extra money in a game they may not be prepared for

as far as buying the game goes that's just how it goes, online games with hostile encounters are gonna be a mixed bag

@captain-coel said in PVP is basically mandatory:

Pvp is an expected part of the game. Being both predator and prey simultaneously is part of the game.

I'm not sure you want to play Sea of Thieves as created. You want your own rules to be applied to everyone. This is an unfair expectation. I play the game the way Rare wants it to be played. As a PvEvP game. I revel in the shared world.

Sorry you and I will never agree. Have fun on the seas.

If we are going to dumb down SOT to just another RDM simulator, then it's not the sea of thieves as created. There's a reason it's PvEvP and not just PvP, there's a reason there's LOOT and especially big haul world events that exist that encourage and let the server know "HEY IM DOING THIS". That's the pirate aspect of the PvP, the loot and plunder. Mindless slaughter just dumbs it down to another FPS and no one is here for that. If I'm minding my own business with some foul bounty skull and I just get ran over by a gally, I'd be a lot more annoyed than if I got attacked while announcing to everyone I'm doing the fort of the damned. Especially when on demand PvP exists.

That's my point, someone like you would actively decide to go and bother someone (if it's not at a world event or fort, or if you happened to see they actually had loot on board) and straight up sink an unwilling target. I do not understand how this is even rewarding either? Wouldn't a good fight consist of fighting someone who fights back? Someone who wants to fight you, who will fight tooth and nail and give you a run for your money? Or are we advocating for seal clubbing? Maybe you don't do it, but people here have suggested that those who run and "do not try" are dumb and lazy and yet those same people will go and fight them. Where is there glory in beating someone who isn't good at the game?

I know my opinion isn't exactly popular, but reducing the game down into a murder fest isn't what the game was made for, you can say its apart of the game, but if it devolves into only that, then it's lost it's identity.

standards

@wolfmanbush Fair enough but as you said it certainly got advertised as this open world sandbox of adventure, most people are gonna have a learning curve, that's fine. We've all been there where we left our boat unattended and can learn from that. I think the depth of PvP goes way further when someone expects the simple combat to be simple and are met with the cold hard truth of janky insta delete mechanics, but that topic has been exhausted so I won't bother again.

If we care about retention we should act like it and not promote illogical RDM. I think people have a much easier time coming to terms with fighting over loot/forts/world events and potentially losing for it, than being randomly attacked while doing a tall tale and having nothing of value. I understand to a certain point I'm asking too much of people to "go and find out" if they have loot, but PvP in this game is only engaged in 3 situations: You decide you want to go sink someone for their booty, you queue up for HG PvP, or you want to just murder someone. I do not think the last one is fair, especially with the recent introduction to HG. Again, I seriously think if you wanna go and kill people mindless, there are plenty of FPS for that.

A lot faster paced and quicker respawns.