I got in a fight with a dude in hourglass that immediately out the gate started running and spamming me in messages to invite him to get an easy win. I want to fight for the wins and I don’t want to cheese the game in this way. Nope this guy made me wait over an hour and a half before I eventually gave it to him. He avoided every board attempt and every movement towards him. When I moved he moved he even resorted to spamming my messages while I was streaming about how bad I was when I have taken multiple breaks and am over 15 million miles sailed with 80+ days in the game as well. In the 5th year of this game being out how are we still dealing with constant behavior like this? Teaming in hourglass is insane, now I find out there’s people out there cheesing wins through invites? Does nobody play this game how it should be intended or is it just dying and best to jump ship now permanently? I just wanted a good fight to test my skills and continue growing in the short time I have reinstalled the game and returned to the seas I’ve had nothing but fun with steals and fighting but this really left a sour taste in my mouth. Especially when people brag they have alt accounts so you can’t really ban them or punish them at all. Fortnite has better detection at times I feel like then sot. For a Microsoft flagship game it just feels too ridiculous to even have the opportunity to do stuff like this. Really disappointing.
What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?
It’s just insane man. There shouldn’t be issues like this. I could understand if it was year 1 or if it was beta but come on, it’s been 5 years and we still can’t get it right. There’s no excuses. Especially when I was streaming for 16 hours getting great fights and content just to have a dude purposely do this. Every game that has a circle area for people to fight in has a timer and the circle shrinks. Why does sot sometimes feel like a game that’s not even from this gen whatsoever? No detection for teaming on hourglass which is supposed to be a PvP 1v1 game. Not to mention anybody in the world can 3rd party and unless your alliance server playing it just doesn’t feel worth it for those who want to play legit. I’m trying to bring friends into this game but when they see stuff like this they don’t even bat an eye at it and I can’t blame them. Took a very long break and I’ve only been back a month and sea of thieves is already rubbing me wrong again
@baby-wiggs Actually it's not supposed to be a PVP 1v1 game. Rare has come out a said, verbatim, that hourglass was put into adventure mode because they wanted third party interference in hourglass matches. It is absolutely part of the open-world aspect of the game.
Now, if you're asking "why in the world would a game designer create a system that rewards winning and win streaks, then put that system in an open world where random events and third party actors can interfere with the match," then my answer must be someone dipped to deep into the grog barrel when they made that decision...
@scheneighnay if i join a 1v1 PvP match in most other games it will lock it to where only those 2 teams are fighting. Not manipulating the game in a way where you can cheese wins because you’re too scared to earn something. It just shouldn’t happen the way it does. But the teaming isn’t what I’m here for it’s the fact that a player will literally tell you I’m not leaving until you invite me so we can get quick wins like that’s just not how I want to play. I enjoy PvP and that’s why I’m doing the ON DEMAND PvP mode. Only it’s not even that anymore it’s a war of attrition on who’s gonna become more bored and quit
Its not common, but there are people out there that are actively against pvp in this game and protest it, who are so desperate to get the curses from hg, but for what ever reason they flat out refuse to fight in an opt in pvp mode.
I really hope that rare bars them from doing this tactic, so that if they want to cheese it, they can take the slow rout.
@baby-wiggs
Oh yeah, I misunderstood it as you referring to dice players who just decide who sinks instead of fighting@lordqulex I can respect that. 100% I agree the open world is so much fun you never know what’s going to happen and that’s why I love sea of thieves. But it’s just one thing after the next no matter theQOL updates, no matter the bug fixes, no matter what they add to the game it really seems like it’s just so messed up idk how to even explain it. It’s just sad really. Either cheat wins or suffer is what it looks like if you really want those curses. Went 16 hours with all great fights. Won a lot and lost a few as well but the wins I won I EARNED and the losses I got we’ll get gud and try again can’t win em all. I just feel like after 5 years you should know your player base
@scheneighnay said in What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?:
@lordqulex
"We made it bad on purpose" seems like too common of an explanation from them lately.More like "we made it different on purpose" and bad was merely a consequence. It was also a limitation: Rare was spending a ton of resources on Arena servers. One of the main reasons for shutting it down was to reclaim the servers for adventure mode because less than 3% of play time was spent in arena. The player base as a whole simply did not participate in arena. So they did their best to put on-demand PVP in adventure mode and this is what we got.
It is different from other PVP games out there, which is good because who wants everything to be the same. But also, it's not very good, which again is ok, because less than 3% play time—this player base, as a general sentiment, doesn't want, care, or participate in PVP on-demand. So it seems to me like they put just the right amount of effort or thought into this.
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@scheneighnay all games have issues and I get it. This just really rubbed me wrong. To blatantly tell me I’m not leaving and I will waste your time unless you play a certain way like it’s nuts. Then to be watching my stream the whole time so you can see what I’m doing before it do it like idk man. No way to stop stream sniping that’s cool I get it but no timer? No shrinking circle? No detection of playing like this? They can detect an afk player pretty well but maybe I just don’t understand it because I’m not a dev idk
@goldsmen I blame content creators like myself tbh I’ve seen countless videos and suggestions on how to get hourglass levels without pvping and it’s just gross
@scheneighnay even that is ridiculous. Idk how they could do it but something needs to happen. I love this game so much and I want to play it everyday if I can on stream because my viewers love it too! And I do my best to bring people to it and have fun with a community but stuff like this just ruins the fun man
@baby-wiggs said in What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?:
@lordqulex I can respect that. 100% I agree the open world is so much fun you never know what’s going to happen and that’s why I love sea of thieves. But it’s just one thing after the next no matter theQOL updates, no matter the bug fixes, no matter what they add to the game it really seems like it’s just so messed up idk how to even explain it. It’s just sad really. Either cheat wins or suffer is what it looks like if you really want those curses. Went 16 hours with all great fights. Won a lot and lost a few as well but the wins I won I EARNED and the losses I got we’ll get gud and try again can’t win em all. I just feel like after 5 years you should know your player base
I think Rare knows their player base. The silent majority is PVEVP'ers that are getting their curses honestly or don't care enough to even try. There are the outliers 2-3 standard deviations from the mean that love the PVP or hate the PVP, and there always will be. The problem here are the players that hate the PVP and are willing to do anything to get those curses. That's fine, because there are also people on the other end of the spectrum that cheat in hourglass just because they can. Nothings perfect matie.
@baby-wiggs said in What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?:
@goldsmen I blame content creators like myself tbh I’ve seen countless videos and suggestions on how to get hourglass levels without pvping and it’s just gross
I dont blame content creators as a whole, just the fact that some people even after being told time and again that it is a pvpve game, refuse to accept that is the game they bought. I see it in the same regards as people who get a souls game, then demand they put in an easy mode.
@lordqulex while I understand that I don’t understand making a pirate game with predominantly pve in it. People can get banned for spawn camping or simple exploits like the thieves haven one where people were spawning tons of loot and breaking the game but alliance servers and countless other combat/PvP avoidance and cheesing is perfectly ok it’s just insanity to me.
@goldsmen best way to describe it right here. I would do almost anything to be affiliated and partnered with this game because I can never get tired of it outside of me burning myself out doing 24-36 hour streams a year or 2 back but stuff like this runs me off faster then anything
@lordqulex if pvpers can get banned for ruining the game for pvers by spawn camping or whatever else you can do to prevent someone from enjoying the game and that is seen as banable behavior cheesing and cheating (not in the hacking sense) should be banable as well idk I feel like I’m ranting it’s just frustrating. I appreciate your insight to this and will be moving forward but I think a couple of days to a week off the game and probably just giving up entirely on the curses until changes are made is the best course of action for me and my stream
@baby-wiggs said in What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?:
@lordqulex if pvpers can get banned for ruining the game for pvers by spawn camping or whatever else you can do to prevent someone from enjoying the game and that is seen as banable behavior cheesing and cheating (not in the hacking sense) should be banable as well idk I feel like I’m ranting it’s just frustrating. I appreciate your insight to this and will be moving forward but I think a couple of days to a week off the game and probably just giving up entirely on the curses until changes are made is the best course of action for me and my stream
I 100% agree with you. If spawn camping without sinking is considered toxic and banable, then invite peddling in hourglass should absolutely be banable as well as a bug exploit.
Running is a bit of a grey area for me... Matches could last for hours even without running, based on the level of supplies of each ship. And once a ship is out of supplies, what options does it have? Sink or run and wear down the other crew's will to continue. In that sense, running is the only viable path to victory.
But running from the start, without even trying, that makes no logical sense. If you want to PVP, you don't run. If you want the curses, running is not an efficient way to get allegiance. So the only reason left, if you ask me, is trolling. Runners are trolls.
But... running after attempting good-faith PVP is a tactic. How can Rare detect if someone who is running is running because it's the only viable path to victory, or to troll the other crew? They can't. Sorry, they can't. That's why it's not banable.
@lordqulex ok I understand 100% I worded that incorrectly. Maybe not running but the whole cheesing the wins thing is what I more meant. Everybody has to run at some point to get a reset especially in hourglass but I see you understand what I mean and I appreciate you for your intelligent responses that made me rethink what I said.
@foambreaker said in What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?:
The simple fix would be to end the match if either captain leaves the game to join another group.
If he spams you, report it, spamming is an offense. Admittedly it is kind of like getting Al Capone for Tax Evasion.
That's kind of what happens? When a player leaves the match their boat sinks and loses the match... eventually. The challenge is the player joins the other session faster, so they get credit for the sink.
The real pickle is that if you punish pirate A by not rewarding allegiance if pirate B quits the match in any way (scuttle, leave game, quit to desktop, alt-f4) you'll get people doing that as trolling. But hey, at least they're not wasting pirate A's time I guess? Just forcing them to requeue? I don't know a good solution here.
@foambreaker I eventually gave in and invited him and just drove the ship into the fog. Crazy you have to play like this now
@soulstinger2k20 I sat in a 45 minute queue time multiple times last night. Seems to be a bug where if a crewmate quits it immediately loads a game up sometimes
I got in a fight with a dude in hourglass that immediately out the gate started running and spamming me in messages to invite him to get an easy win. I want to fight for the wins and I don’t want to cheese the game in this way. Nope this guy made me wait over an hour and a half before I eventually gave it to him
Seems to me he won the battle and you gave up. Should of joined and moved on. Win is a win no matter the cost
Does nobody play this game how it should be intended
How is it intended to be played. Explain. Your answer may actually differ between players.
@burnbacon this thinking is why the game is how it is. Why not just fight in a PVP mode why create all these other avenues instead of just playing it the way it’s intended which means if it’s a PvP mode. We shouldn’t throw dice to win, exploit by joining others to win, teaming to win like that’s all just such a weasel, weak-minded way to play
So many people in SoT just want everything the easy way. If there's new 50mil cosmetic they just grind it in alliance and if it's pvp grind then they do stuff like this.
Why not just put those curses in emporium for a price so they get their stuff and we get cleaner lobbies? Every cosmetic gets inflated very fast anyway.
@baby-wiggs ahhhh bro, welcome to it, the “Pvp’ers are bad and should be punished” group. I have said the same about loss farming and everything else, people don’t care it’s all about gettin that stupid curse. I do feel that the curses have negatively impacted the game. Not because of hg, more so the entitlement of I’ll get it however I see fit and you can’t say anything. It’s brought out more whiny people and broken stuff in an effort to get a pixel costume.
I will never understand VOLUNTEERING FOR PVP, voting on it TWICE, and then running while saying invite for win, I have screenshots of people naming the boat “invite for win” I have said and stuck behind, I’d be fine if they just nuked the curses. I’m just tired of the whining and dumb tactics it’s caused. Congrats you whiny kids, ya broke the game because you HAD TO BE BLUEISH GREEN.
@baby-wiggs said in What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?:
IDoes nobody play this game how it should be intended
It's a sandbox game. You get to play how you want. You don't have to invite them for a free win, you can battle them. Be aggressive, use sneaky plays, wait them out by fishing, whatever. It's your choice to leave.
@baby-wiggs said in What’s the deal with cheating hourglass wins?:
@lordqulex I can respect that. 100% I agree the open world is so much fun you never know what’s going to happen and that’s why I love sea of thieves. But it’s just one thing after the next no matter theQOL updates, no matter the bug fixes, no matter what they add to the game it really seems like it’s just so messed up idk how to even explain it. It’s just sad really. Either cheat wins or suffer is what it looks like if you really want those curses. Went 16 hours with all great fights. Won a lot and lost a few as well but the wins I won I EARNED and the losses I got we’ll get gud and try again can’t win em all. I just feel like after 5 years you should know your player base
"I played a video game for 16 hours straight and it was 99% great but that 1% means they should change the entire game mode to satisfy my needs."
Hmmmmmmmm
@lordqulex yeah, the rewards were really overtuned. they shouldn't have been given out so early in the progression as people have too much temptation to cheese them. bet nobody would be trying to cheat through their way to lvl 1000. gamemode is pretty cool if not for cheaters and people like that.
