Where have all the Legends gone?

I agree 100%. We have been complaining about this for so long now, but for some reason Rare don't seem to care. They only seem to pay attention to the vocal minority that just happen to make the most noise. This minority scream and scream about how hard Sea of Thieves is and how nothing is fair, in game. Rare have nerfed and nerfed and nerfed the game into what it is now.

I have played since beta and some buddies have been playing since alpha. We played hard, played long and worked for everything. I started a clan and we played non-stop, daily. We practiced and learned. I remember some of the very first Pirate Legends we came across. It was awesome seeing them. It was exciting. As well, we were some of the very first Pirate Legends. Well, now, we actually got one of our new members to Pirate Legend in 8 days.

I love Sea of Thieves, but I really wish the Devs. would un-nerf things and go back to what made the fans love the game. ...and stop making this game easier and easier and easier and easier. I mean, what was it, like less than a week ago, Meg was nerfed. Devil's Roar was nerfed...

I disagree. It took way too long to hit legend in the beginning. The problem is that there isn't another tier after legend.

@marsmayflower said in Where have all the Legends gone?:

I disagree. It took way too long to hit legend in the beginning. The problem is that there isn't another tier after legend.

Make up your mind.

I guessed fairly early on that Pirate Legend is merely a carrot dangling in front of me.
The first PL exposed the fact that after the grind to the hideout, there is only more grind. At that point my focus was not to achieve PL status, but only play for the fun of it.
The hamster wheel is only there for those who think there should be one.

I laugh at those players that cop elitist attitudes because of thier legendary status.
Like post demanding more PL specific content.

The only real game here, the one that generates envy between players, is the acquisition of the time limited swag.

At this point my only motivation is to get to Sea Dog level fifty, but I've got three voyages in Adventure to complete because I want that scorpion figurehead.

@barnabas-seadog it's true i usually always pick time limited skins on my ship and in the clothing swag I wear. Also sport the Legendary Merchant Trader title because delivering 500 cargo after turning Legend was more painful than anything in game. lol cheers

@PhuzzyBond

I joined back into Sea of Thieves about a month and a half ago.

I was playing since cursed sails. I quit the game for a bit, came back for forsaken shores, and quit after a couple weeks because the game still didn’t have content in my eyes (I was stupid lol) and then I recently came back because I was like “I haven’t played this in ages” and I came back to all this amazing stuff!

The forts were more frequent, Megalodon had different colours and both kraken and meg had rewards, skeleton ships didn’t pop outta the water to say “hey how are ya?” Anymore, and just overall the gameplay was a lot better and smoother.

I had been grinding for over 6 straight weeks, and I had only used doubloons to help me get to level 45 in the GH (I was level 43 at that time when I used the doubloons) and to level 50 in both OoS and Merchant (I was at 48 for OoS and just couldn’t wait and do another voyage, used doubloons, and then did a fort or two to get that last bit of levelling and that’s how I got to pirate legend, and when I used doubloons for the Merchants, I was at level 49 and decided to use them since I had them anyways). I was in the early 30’s in terms of levels, for all alliances (I think I was like level 27 in the Merchant alliance) when I came back.

I wasn’t even really aware I could use doubloons to progress levels until way later then I was like “let’s use them!!”.

It takes 30 to go up one single level, and it takes forever to get those doubloons depending on what commendations you’re planning on doing.

It’s still a grind. People who get to PL in like 2 weeks are a little try-hard to me, and aren’t people who appreciate the game.

The reason most PL’s nowadays sail away is most likely because they’re newer pirate legends and the older ones are either playing a different game or off to the arena for something new. I’ve met other pirate legends and most of the time they aren’t any good at PvP (and that says something cuz i suck horribly at PVP, but I’m getting better!) or they’re literal cowards who don’t attack you out on the open seas but wait when they think you’re not paying attention to your ship.

I’m a pirate legend who sails away too, because I know my limits in terms of PvP skills, and when I’m outmatched. I also learned not to care if someone else is pirate legend, because again most of the ones I’ve met aren’t all that great at PvP. Doesn’t mean I won’t run away tho lol

There have been people, as far as I know, who complained about the grind so much, and I just guess that Rare decided to add these things to get more players back into the game. It’s like saying “hey it’s been long and rough but here’s some stuff to help you get there, might not be faster though because you still have to work to earn these”.

I played a lot when the game was launch, an some months before launch.
An it took me 5-6 weeks to get to PL, dont know how many hours a day. But one crew member didn't sleep for the first 48 hr.
We where somewhat on the grind, although I never felt it, because I just love the game.

An most admit that every time Rare made the game easier, lowed commendations, changing value of chest/rep to benefit the newcomers an casual players.
It just like a slap in the face.

Im already lvl 40 in Hunters call, an now they set up the value an reputation, another slap in the face.

Those tweak an changes should not happen in my mind, that why you test it in insider before releas, but what do I know, Im not a Dev.

I know that there is many Discord servers, where players can just get all the free rep. from alliance.
an I think it's some of them you are running in to.
hell I posted a "short" tale a couble of days ago, where I solo sloop took out a Legend galleon.
they where so bad, that 2nd time they came back, they started running/sailing away from me, an sank from damage they took from scarping an island.

I dont know, but it feels like all the good players has left the game, an only a few of the "real" PL are still playing.

@skulliah I disagree with the first thing you said.
it's all how you implement it.
for ex.
Make a 6 player ship for PL, but with it comes a catch, reaper flag on, an a long voyage that force them all over the world.
that way you have a Juggernaut on some servers, that can not team up with other.
But other ship can team up against it, or try their luck solo.

Even though it's exclusive to PL's, It will bring in a game element that Kraken/meg/skelly ship cant achieve.

It was just an example.

@dislex-fx said in Where have all the Legends gone?:

@marsmayflower said in Where have all the Legends gone?:

I disagree. It took way too long to hit legend in the beginning. The problem is that there isn't another tier after legend.

Make up your mind.

I deserve that. But I'm a grinder and really dont mind spending lots of time on progressing. The problem was the variety in the beginning. Now there are tons of ways to get lots of rep. I'm not bitter about it, let people have their fun. I just wish there was something else to grind for. Already done with TTs and Athena. Need that pirate lord status with new ways to get there.

@marsmayflower the problem is gold is pointless at the moment.

Where have all the cosmetics gone? We need an overhaul of how cosmetics work. As of right now, there is no progression. Take the Sea Dogs, for example. There is only one set of clothing but many sets of weapons. As you progress through the ranks, you unlock better skins for weapons but not for clothing. There is only one option. What if I wanted to wear Sea Dog sandals with a Sea Dog vest? There isn't an option. We only have Sea Dog boots and jacket as an option. What if I want to wear a Sea Dog Shirt? No option. How about Sea Dog bandana instead of a hat? You guessed it...no option.

This issue applies to all cosmetics in the game. We only have one option for each set with no progression.

The problem is attitude.
If u play for fun and to be a pirate thirsty for adventure and stories. Than this game is perfect. Even with the "make it easier for casuals"

I've been here since before launch, I sail regularly (and irregularly, lol), I've done the things, been here and done that... and I don't feel the same as what is expressed in the Original Post.
I still seek adventure the same as I did at the start. The game is multi-faceted and enjoyed in many different ways by many different players with many different preferences. Things don't always line up with people that have certain preferences, or only focus on a single facet of the game. However, I don't think this game was ever about that limited focus.

But hey, I am not here to say anyone else is wrong for feeling the ways that they do.
I do not, however, notice less pirates on the seas. I see plenty of legends on the seas (and know quite a few that are around).

I think the game has new players coming in regularly and tackling their own new adventures. And the existing framework is working for them, as well as those of us who continue to enjoy it - no matter how long we've been doing it.

Players of this game report the widest ranges of feedback that go in direct opposition of each other. There's too much PvP. There's not enough PvP. The servers are full. The servers are empty. Arena is the best! Arena is the worst! Adventure has less PvP because of the Arena! Adventure has more PvP because of Arena (making players more comfortable in PvPing and shaping their playstyle around attacking other boats).
Name one thing, and you'll have players saying the opposite.
The game is full of chaos (in the right ways!) and people report things from their own anecdotal experiences, often as though they are sweeping universal truths for all. And they are often very far from being true (for all).

I think the game is doing great. I don't have complaints with the changes that have been made. And I see potential for a lot of continued growth and additions.

I think some people take certain elements of the game far more seriously than the overall design sort of intends. And that's fine. Some people get their enjoyment that way. However, the designers, and the community at large, don't have to cater to that side of the fence.

I think Rare set out to create a game that treads a dangerously crazy line that is both between, and all-inclusive of, extremely divergent enjoyments. Different people latch onto different enjoyments, but I have been extremely impressed with how well Rare has managed to maintain this wild experiment and keep the community from tipping too far in any which way.

Anyway, I'm just rambling and not sure who, if anyone, may follow what I'm saying - never mind if they agree with me.

I feel like when we sometimes find ourselves mimicking the calls of the doomcrow, it may actually be ourselves that are struggling to find the balance - rather than the game, itself, struggling.

Those are just my wild thoughts though.
Fair seas!!!

@pdt-mindstream said in Where have all the Legends gone?:

Players of this game report the widest ranges of feedback that go in direct opposition of each other. There's too much PvP. There's not enough PvP. The servers are full. The servers are empty. Arena is the best! Arena is the worst! Adventure has less PvP because of the Arena! Adventure has more PvP because of Arena (making players more comfortable in PvPing and shaping their playstyle around attacking other boats).

Name one thing, and you'll have players saying the opposite.

This is so true. Great post.

@genuine-heather scarily true. But I think I got one no one talks about. Fried bananas.

@pdt-mindstream matey, I be a simple pirate. You right now show the wisdom of a man who went to think on the seas. My friends who have played during the time of the first DLC and before (never knew each other then) have stuck around even until today. Most of us be pirate legends with theories and stories to talk the head off a seagull, but all seafaring sinkers at heart. We don’t care about incentives for PLs like us, but stories we can talk to newbies and the barrel of laughs we make after I blew up me unsuspecting matey last week. As a man with a ghostly figure and big beard said, it be not about the gold... it be about the... story? Glory? grog? Ah who cares for us pirates, adventure awaits no sailor!

@phuzzybond

Pirate Legend should be harder to get, and there are ways that they can truly make it harder to get. I thought they were making it more accessible so they could justify the dev time for more Pirate Legend content and cosmetics, but even that seems to have been completely abandoned.

It's complete radio silence from Rare about future content for Pirate Legends. All I want to hear is "yes, content for Pirate Legends is coming" even if that just means six months from now.

They need to:

- Impose a limit to how many letters of recommendation that can be bought for each trading company. New players are able to go back and complete old Bilge Rat commendations and earn all of the doubloons. The difference is that they have no time limited cosmetics to spend them on, so they can dump them all into levels.

Letters of Recommendation are okay, as players must still invest time and effort to earn the doubloons to buy them, but there must be a limit to how many times this can be done.

- Reduce reputation earnings across the board. Let's face it. There's inflation on the seas. There's a fort available at all times, usually they go uncontested. The Devil's Roar has become an absolute joke while the rewards are still high value. High value voyages for events have become a constant.

So while you're making tasks easier and loot more readily available, that means it's time for rep earnings to be reduced.

- Stop catering to a lack of patience in general Seriously, they listen to people complain about challenges in the game, and they take their word as if they actually tried to learn how to conquer the challenge but just couldn't. These people are not trying, and they're giving up at the first whiff of difficulty. Stop bending to their will.

Rare, you're not making things more accessible, you're just catering to those that don't have patience. You said in the beginning you wanted Pirate Legend to mean something, so make that happen.

Private toilets for Pirate Legends!

@ironuzuka said in Where have all the Legends gone?:

Private toilets for Pirate Legends!

You got my upvote... lol

Aterall, we all need a little private time, to do legendary things.

@piratecraggy

For bowel movements of legendary proportions.

@chronodusk

Omg... awesome...rofl!!! :)

Anyhow. :) ... back on topic.

Yeah... like others... I am disappointed by the game current direction, for "making" things easier. I really have nothing to add ( have voiced my opinion previously), others have basically covered the ground, I agree with the sentiments made by other posters supporting this view. We will just have to hope... someone out there is listening. We need to keep the game play "challenging".

@knifelife said in Where have all the Legends gone?:

I dont think PL really means anything to be fair.
I mean, don’t get me wrong. It took a lot to get there earlier on but minus a bit more game sense I wouldn’t of said PL really meant anything besides you had time to invest in the game.

Exactly this. 😊 Everyone is saying how there's too many PL's, where have the good ones gone, like a PL is meant to be someone who is super excellent at the game, has mastered PvP etc.... But, no. That's not it at all. It only signifies someone who has spent time in Sea of Thieves, turning in chicken crates, digging up treasure chests and (quite easily) killing some Pirate Captains to get Merchant, Order of Souls and Gold Hoarders to level 50. None of this has anything to do with PvP. So, no, I have never connected seeing a Pirate Legend in the game with someone who is a "master" of Sea of Thieves lol. Not even once. I feel no differently when I see a PL than when I see someone who started the game yesterday. It's just someone who has put more time into it, that's it. Good for them, but it's not a huge deal. 🤷‍♀️😄

I have been playing the game for the past 1-2 months, a few hours almost every evening/night, just for the pure fun and enjoyment of the game. I've been slowly working towards everything at once. I do a Tall Tale every now and then (I've finished the campaign already but I'm working on repeating them each 5x towards the achievements) and I do random messages in a bottle quests or barrel quests, I'll do some random Merchant Alliance voyages and go around looking for chickens or snakes, and sometimes I get myself into an hour of cat-and-mouse games with another ship. Sometimes I get to enjoy a random kraken encounter and I stop at every shipwreck I see. Sometimes as I'm at the shipwreck, I'll throw my fishing rod out and grab a few Wreckers for 20 minutes or so, or if I find myself at Mermaid's Hideaway, I'll stop at the pond and get some Pondies for 20-30 minutes. My point is, I just ENJOY the game. After close to about 2 months of this, I am STILL not at PL status lol. My Gold Hoarders is at 39, my Order of Souls just hit 39 last night, and my Merchant Alliance is at 43.

For everyone saying how easy it is to get PL and how they got it in a week, or two weeks, well that's because you're doing a huge grind with the factions with the focus solely being on PL. It's different to simply play and enjoy the game, compared to having tunnel vision aimed solely at getting PL as quickly as possible. For people like me, who are just playing the game naturally, no the PL title does not come too fast and is not super nerfed and given away like water. I'm still working towards it but while enjoying the entire game after nearly 2 months. I don't have PL Tunnel Vision lol. I'm scratching my head at everyone that does have PL Tunnel Vision and grinded all day every day doing massive turn-ins to get them or their friends those level 50's in, say, a week. And then they turn right around and complain that they got it in a week. Ummm... what lol? 😅

I can only speak for myself, but I do not feel that PL is given away too easily now. It is also not meant to symbolize someone who is a "PvP master" and a "Sea of Thieves God". It's literally just someone who caught a lot of chickens. 🐔

I'm fine with how Rare are doing things and how they're making these special events to help those of us out that are just playing the game to enjoy it and have fun and are still working towards PL. If I can turn in my gunpowder barrels to the Order of Souls right now for a teeny tiny microscopic bump in leveling up, I'll take it lol. Thank you Rare. 👍😄

If the game isn't fun for you anymore, then maybe take a break from it. I see people on YouTube playing this game literally all day, every day. 12-18 hours a day. And you see the deterioration. They start complaining more, they start being really negative, ranting and screaming at times, they start bashing other players, the game itself, the Developers, everything. I'm absolutely loving the game. It's relaxing and genuinely fun to me. And I'm working towards PL not because it will make me feel cool or intimidating in the game, but because I just think it will be fun to have the Pirate Hideaway open to run around in every now and then. No big deal. Just fun.

Happy gaming, everyone. 😊🌊