Faction Battle Intrusions

Interesting takeaway, some suggestions on PVP have been going around about trying to reduce the arena to prevent long drawn out battles where both sides run out of supplies, but this could be a better option knowing about the alliance Defenders where the invader would be forced into a 4v1 fight.
Instead of forcing a victory out of it if they survive long enough the arena is dismantled and then both can fight in the whole map or try to use the matchmaking to escape.
It would allow them to get more supplies and continue fighting if they ran out of it during the fight. (Half of the defenders for some reason decide to fight near the border of the map, either to force a smaller place to fight or trying to bait invaders into the red sea, don't know)

Rare said that they want organic invasions to the battle, which sounds fine to me but 2 things were overlooked, the first being half the time they run out of supplies to sink the opposing ship forcing them to try and drive the opposing ship out of the arena, the other is people are catching up to the fact that they can just make a PVP alliance and get invaded and do from a 2v1 to a 4v1 defense and all of them get the kill point so it's more likely to increase the trend. And I sure don't want to feed into that so if I can escape for let's say 30 mins the world would open up for me to be able to either use the whole map maybe splitting up the alliance ships enough for me to pick them off 1 by 1.

We don't need to force this to be a 1v1 arena we just need to balance it out better so that the invanders don't just get camped by the enemy ships.

@a-cry1ng-orphan said in Faction Battle Intrusions:

Another major issue here not being considered is the fact that everyone with an hourglass gets a "win" when someone gets sunk. Encouraging alliance defenses where you're spawned in and forced to fight multiple ships, while the alliance only benefits. But a punishment to those abusing this system other than people "running away" needs to be considered, as this still only encourages the behavior, especially if a win is given to those who remain.

Not true, I had an hourglass and tried to sink 3 GoF Sloops after allying with a reaper camping the hideout and the end result was the only time the sink counted was when we sank a champion sloop. Maybe there were unforseen events that disqualified us from the prize but we killed the enemy players and damaged the ship but still the first 2 of the 3 sloops did not count as a sink and only the guardian one counted, it's possible they scuttled their ships due to feeling the unfairness of the fight.

@a-cry1ng-orphan said in Faction Battle Intrusions:

@astralenigma I've had it happen multiple times. Got in a 4 sloop fight where nobody was "on the hunt" we just all had our hourglasses on and suddenly we were on a 3 kill streak due to sinks. Also, as a brig, we accidentally invaded a sloop faction battle. We got wins for the sloop who lost, then for sinking the winner.

Yeah, what I described happened two days ago, maybe there was a shadow fix to that or not, did you get wins from a sloop from your faction sinking, cause that's what it sounds like on your post.
Also, a possible conclusion for why I didn't get the win streak and points is cause the guys scuttled or drove themselves out of bounds and not so much a bug on me not getting the streaks.

@a-cry1ng-orphan said in Faction Battle Intrusions:

@astralenigma I got credit from both. But we also got a cannon hit on both.

I got cannon hits on both and also got my teammate killing the guys. Don't know might have been a bug with the Hourglass being risen too recently compared to those fights. Or they might have scuttled denying somehow the sinking from thirds.

@burnbacon Then why would the game spend so much effort trying to find a crew with the same size and similar skill level as you when you queue if other ships were meant to intrude and roll the "who wins" dice? Smaller ships are at a disadvantage against larger ones in terms of sheer firepower; the sloop will never beat a galleon in a broadside battle, and is instead supposed to abuse its maneuverability to evade the galleon's rain of steel while trying to immobilize and trap it. Still, it's a 2v4 battle, and most sloops will choose to run from the galleon. In a faction battle, you can't do that, so if a galleon suddenly decides to show up and target you, you are FORCED to fight it directly, which is a dance you never want to perform with ships that have more cannons than you (this is probably why Rare locked challenging larger ships behind a "Faction Champion" wall.) Not only that, but even if you do manage to get the upper hand, the galleon can simply leave the circle that you are forced to remain inside of until you sink your opponent, allowing the galleon to repair and come back without any pressure.

Also, remember how I said that galleons are balanced by making the ship harder to control and repair? If there is a second ship (IE. another sloop) against you, that downside is completely invalidated while still putting you in an unwanted 2v4 fight. When you are hopelessly outnumbered, no amount of skill will win you the fight. Rare offers an option to challenge LARGER SHIPS as a faction champion as a CHALLENGE, not MULTIPLE SHIPS by ACCIDENT.

@hanselpup said in Faction Battle Intrusions:

@burnbacon Then why would the game spend so much effort trying to find a crew with the same size and similar skill level as you when you queue if other ships were meant to intrude and roll the "who wins" dice? Smaller ships are at a disadvantage against larger ones in terms of sheer firepower; the sloop will never beat a galleon in a broadside battle, and is instead supposed to abuse its maneuverability to evade the galleon's rain of steel while trying to immobilize and trap it. Still, it's a 2v4 battle, and most sloops will choose to run from the galleon. In a faction battle, you can't do that, so if a galleon suddenly decides to show up and target you, you are FORCED to fight it directly, which is a dance you never want to perform with ships that have more cannons than you (this is probably why Rare locked challenging larger ships behind a "Faction Champion" wall.) Not only that, but even if you do manage to get the upper hand, the galleon can simply leave the circle that you are forced to remain inside of until you sink your opponent, allowing the galleon to repair and come back without any pressure.

Also, remember how I said that galleons are balanced by making the ship harder to control and repair? If there is a second ship (IE. another sloop) against you, that downside is completely invalidated while still putting you in an unwanted 2v4 fight. When you are hopelessly outnumbered, no amount of skill will win you the fight. Rare offers an option to challenge LARGER SHIPS as a faction champion as a CHALLENGE, not MULTIPLE SHIPS by ACCIDENT.

It was mostly designed to give some balance into the game as it would be too unbalanced if solo sloops got paired with duo sloops though if another ship joined the fight organically it could join one of the sides or kill both giving it some randomness.

I have been in a fight where my galleon won against an enemy galleon and sloop, and I have been in a fight where my duo sloop allied with a solo sloop lost against another duo sloop, those were both organic alliances.

What is ruining matchmaking is people using meta connections to make alliance servers and waiting for you with a solo sloop and using it to ambush you with galleons, unfortunately there isn't much that can be done to fixing it without breaking other stuff, sure Rare could teleport both ships to a zone but what would happen to the treasure that was being collected some of these fights last way longer than it's healthy in that time if you were collecting the treasure on an island and you suddenly lose it because your ship gets teleported away, even worse the treasure on the boat could not be teleported with you and even if it was teleported with you what would happen to the treasure if you sank would the opposing team be able to take it back before being teleported back to it's previous location, would they stay there until they decide to leave making it possible to other ships to teleport to it's location?

@a-cry1ng-orphan indeed they are the most balanced because it happened organically, honestly I prefer to defend over diving due to 2 reasons, first I'm not stuck in queue doing nothing because the system somehow can't find a match for me to join, the second is because I have the most control of my fights, another time I got invaded was while I was doing the Legend of the Veil last chapter and that worked out for me cause the forts were fighting alongside me.

The problem with this update is two-fold there's barely an incentive from doing quests while adding the challenge of being invaded and the guys that want to use this new feature they only want to PVP because of that most of what happens is people getting burned out cause they are invading each other and trying to survive and waste a ton of supplies and time.